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Veterans Day and Its Roots in Armistice Day

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On November 11 the United States celebrates Veterans Day, a holiday commemorating all people who are serving or have served in he military. This day is a separate holiday from Memorial Day, celebrated at the end of May, which commemorates the war dead. It can be confusing, however, because the roots of Veterans Day lie in a war, The Great War, World War I and November 11 was originally called Armistice Day.

World War I was a war in which millions of men sometimes died in a single battle, a war so deadly that it wiped out an entire generation of young men who were known as "The Lost Generation" and whose death affected the women of the world and demography since they did not marry and produce children. It began in 1914 and ended with an armistice on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

A great deal of poetry was written during World War I, almost all of it by soldiers, many of whom never returned home. Much of the early poetry was idealistic as the soldiers went off to war with noble intentions and patriotic fervor. Later the grim horrors of the war were reflected in the poetry.


I am posting two poems, one an early poem by the English poet Rupert Brooke which was written when the outlook toward the war was still rosy and the other a later poem by Wilfred Owen whuch was written after the horrors of war became know, Both poems are extremely famous and have come to symbolize World War One's poetry.

The Soldier

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

Dulce et Decorum Est
By Wilfred Owen

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Notes:

Latin phrase is from the Roman poet Horace: “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country.”
 
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I had technical difficulties making the post above and had to keep changing fonts and images. In the end some of the post came old bold for no reason that I intended but I had no more time to edit it. I also was unable to post in time that World War I ended in the year 1918 and was followed by The Paris Peace Talks and The Versailles Treaty.

I hope that other Debate Politics members who have contributed War Poetry in the past will feel free to contribute poems to this thread today. Today is known as Remembrance Day in several other countries.
 
In Flanders Fields
In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
— John McCrae

This is a rondeau and has indentations when I try to edit it, but everything is justify right when I post it.
 
@NewfieMom there is a new film adaptation of the classic German novel “All Quiet on the Western Front”. I watched it on Netflix last weekend. Worth a look.
 
Anthem for Doomed Youth

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
— Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,—
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

- Wilfred Owen

Pretty bleak.
 
Prior to today I had read another thread on DP, one started by @Rumpel, on the names different people used for November 11. It was not until this morning, when I was reading a French website about the commemoration of the end of World War I in France that I understood the connection between one of the holidays he mentioned and Armistice Day, however. He had mentioned St. Martin's Day and Lantern's Day, neither of which was familiar to me until I saw his poll. When I read the French website, however, I learned that November 11 was not chosen randomly as the date for Armistice. It was, according to this website, chosen because it was St. Martin's Day and St. Martin was a French patron saint. (For those who do not know it, the French made the Germans when sign the agreement to stop fighting "dans le wagon de l'armistice dans la forêt de Compiègne" (in the railroad car in the Compiègne Forest). This railroad car became a famous symbol of the German defeat.

Knowing the link between St. Martin's Day and the choice of a day for Armistice Day (if what this website said was true) is historically important. I am interested in pursuing this. Perhaps it is a well-known fact, but I was unaware of it.
 
@NewfieMom there is a new film adaptation of the classic German novel “All Quiet on the Western Front”. I watched it on Netflix last weekend. Worth a look.
I probably could not bear to watch it, @Decypher. Just remembering scenes from the book, which I read many years ago, can make me cry. Thank you very much for thinking of me, however.
 
In Flanders Fields
This is a rondeau and has indentations when I try to edit it, but everything is justify right when I post it.
Please do not worry about form here! You posted the most famous poem about World War I in the English language and promoted our discourse here. I do not believe anyone cares about indentations. I am so glad you are participating. :)
 
Knowing the link between St. Martin's Day and the choice of a day for Armistice Day (if what this website said was true) is historically important. I am interested in pursuing this. Perhaps it is a well-known fact, but I was unaware of it.
Very interesting!
Not even I did know that there was a connection between Saint Martin's Day and Armistice.
I thought it was just a co-incidence.
 
Please do not worry about form here! You posted the most famous poem about World War I in the English language and promoted our discourse here. I do not believe anyone cares about indentations. I am so glad you are participating. :)
Thanks for starting the thread! I know no one cares about the indentations but I'm a bit of a poetry nut, so I care.
 
Very interesting!
Not even I did know that there was a connection between Saint Martin's Day and Armistice.
I thought it was just a co-incidence.
You may be interested to know there is a British nursery rhyme about the bells London churches:

Oranges and lemons
Say the bells of St. Clements
You owe me 5 farthings
Say the bells of St. Martins

When will you pay me
Say the bells of Old Bailey
When I grow rich
Say the bells of Shorditch
When will that be
Say the bells of Old Stepney
I do not know
Says the great bell of Bow
 
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@NewfieMom there is a new film adaptation of the classic German novel “All Quiet on the Western Front”. I watched it on Netflix last weekend. Worth a look.
Is it new? I thought it was the old one. Must watch it.
 
Prior to today I had read another thread on DP, one started by @Rumpel, on the names different people used for November 11. It was not until this morning, when I was reading a French website about the commemoration of the end of World War I in France that I understood the connection between one of the holidays he mentioned and Armistice Day, however. He had mentioned St. Martin's Day and Lantern's Day, neither of which was familiar to me until I saw his poll. When I read the French website, however, I learned that November 11 was not chosen randomly as the date for Armistice. It was, according to this website, chosen because it was St. Martin's Day and St. Martin was a French patron saint. (For those who do not know it, the French made the Germans when sign the agreement to stop fighting "dans le wagon de l'armistice dans la forêt de Compiègne" (in the railroad car in the Compiègne Forest). This railroad car became a famous symbol of the German defeat.

Knowing the link between St. Martin's Day and the choice of a day for Armistice Day (if what this website said was true) is historically important. I am interested in pursuing this. Perhaps it is a well-known fact, but I was unaware of it.
Hitler found that same railroad car and made the French sign their terms of surrender in it in June of 1940.
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He wanted the rail car of French Marshal Ferdinand Foch to be returned to Compiegne Forest and for all negotiations to be held there. The rail car and the forest were the site of Germany’s capitulation to France in 1918, ending World War I. For Hitler, this was a chance to wreak symbolic revenge for Germany’s losses, adding insult to injury of the country he had largely conquered.

 
Is it new? I thought it was the old one. Must watch it.
Yes, released this year. Parts of it are beautifully shot but there’s a fair bit of men screaming in the mud.
 
@ about the novel:

All Quiet on the Western Front (German: Im Westen nichts Neues, lit. 'In the West Nothing New') is a novel by Erich Maria Remarque, a German veteran of World War I. The book describes the German soldiers' extreme physical and mental trauma during the war, and the detachment from civilian life felt by many upon returning home from the front.

The novel was first published in November and December 1928 in the German newspaper Vossische Zeitung, and in book form in late January 1929. The book and its sequel, The Road Back (1930), were among the books banned and burned in Nazi Germany. All Quiet on the Western Front sold 2.5 million copies in 22 languages in its first 18 months in print.[1]

In 1930, the book was adapted as an Academy Award-winning film of the same name, directed by Lewis Milestone. It was adapted again in 1979 by Delbert Mann, this time as a television film starring Richard Thomas and Ernest Borgnine; and again in 2022 with the same name, directed by Edward Berger.

 
Knowing the link between St. Martin's Day and the choice of a day for Armistice Day (if what this website said was true) is historically important. I am interested in pursuing this. Perhaps it is a well-known fact, but I was unaware of it.
I have not found an answer that "proves" the truth of the assertion that November 11 was chosen for the signing of the peace treaty because it was St Martin's Day. I have read a lot of bickering between people who dispute the matter. I found the website to which I am providing a link very interesting. I am not standing behind its veracity, but I found it worth reading. If anyone else is interested in the matter, the link is below.

 
The eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

Years ago we were traveling across France by car and stopped at the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery in Romagne. There were many headstones dated 11NOV and a few days after that. News traveled slowly in those days.
 
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