Guy Incognito
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Fortunately, the first amendment protects against that sort of thing. Have you ever taken an elementary level civics class?So if the Government decided to arrest you for swearing in public when there's no rule/law, you'd be fine with it?
She was given a chance to apologize for breaking to rule, which, if she had done so, would have allowed her to get the diploma. She refused to apologize, and opted to simply demand her diploma despite the fact that she broke the rule. Never mind that she is in no position to make demands, she rebuffed the generosity of the school to permit her to simply write out an apology. Why on earth would anyone support or encourage this kind of behavior?
I don't see the connection. I do see a lot of arguing from emotion coming from your end. I can of imagine what rational reason anybody could have for supporting this petulant, stubborn, disobedient child.Have you ever been to a graduation?
Rules are broken all the time.
The hats are not supposed to be thrown into the air, but they do it. Should the diplomas be withheld in all those cases?
If somebody yells something from the crowd, that is breaking the rules. Should the diploma be withheld?
Fortunately, the first amendment protects against that sort of thing. Have you ever taken an elementary level civics class?
There is nothing in that policy manual that rules it out.
Your theories about the secret motives of the school administrators are inconsequential.
You have a very odd way of looking at things.
The school was generous?
If it is not explicitly written inthe rules it does not exist just like with any law.
It is a very generous offer that they were under no obligation to make. What is stunning is that anybody would support this child's decision not to accept the offer. What kind of lesson is that for all the children out there? Break the rules, don't apologize, as long as you complain you will get everything you want.
I don't see the connection. I do see a lot of arguing from emotion coming from your end. I can of imagine what rational reason anybody could have for supporting this petulant, stubborn, disobedient child.
She will not have "earned" her diploma until she apologizes.
I wonder what the state accrediting agency would say.
From a strictly technical point of view, she meets the requirements to graduate.
Schools can withhold diplomas for things like library fines,
but in this case it may cost her real money.
Scholarships may be put in jeopardy.
I think she should treat it like a traffic stop, be polite, apologize, and move on with her life.
It may not be right, but is the path of least resistance.
Why don't you look up the requirements to receive a diploma in that Oklahoma school system and I bet you won't find where it says the school can do this.
She earned the diploma with he hard work. Anything that happens after the end of the school year has no bearing on her diploma in any way.
I don't see the connection. I do see a lot of arguing from emotion coming from your end. I can of imagine what rational reason anybody could have for supporting this petulant, stubborn, disobedient child.
It "might not be right" to apologize for breaking school rules and publicly using profanity at a school function?
I agree that she should be polite and apologize, but rules are rules. It is right when a speeder gets in trouble for breaking traffi e rulea and it is right when a student gets in trouble for breaking school rules.
If you want to be rude and refuse to apologize to a traffic stop, see how far that will get you. But beyond that, there is no justification for the rudeness, since the person who did the deed bears the responsibility. So somebody is going five over the speed limit, cop pulls him over and the guy is rude so the cop writes him a ticket. If the guy had apologized the cop probably would have just let him off with a warning. But the rudeness and failure to apologize made a bad situation worse.
Have you ever met Tigger? You guys might become best buds.
There were/are no rules regarding profanity. She broke no rules.
Hey, what do you know, you are still absolutely wrong, just like the last time you wrongly said this wrong thing. Did I mention yet hat you are wrong?
You see emotion coming from me?
Do you not understand the concept of earning something and being entitled to that same thing?
He uttering a word, no matter how bad, is no reason to take away her right to her diploma.
It is funny you do not see high school students as adults nor as american citizens.
It is a very generous offer that they were under no obligation to make. What is stunning is that anybody would support this child's decision not to accept the offer. What kind of lesson is that for all the children out there? Break the rules, don't apologize, as long as you complain you will get everything you want.
You mentioned it but still haven't backed it up. You've been making claims in this thread with absolutely no proof and you've repeatedly ignored questions I've asked you. It's supposed to be a debate, not a one-sided conversation.
I don't think you understand how these works, or else you would not say obviously false things like that.
I welcome you to say something not-wrong in order to advance the discussion, bu I shall not be holding my breath while waiting for you to do so.
It "might not be right" to apologize for breaking school rules and publicly using profanity at a school function?
I agree that she should be polite and apologize, but rules are rules. It is right when a speeder gets in trouble for breaking traffi e rulea and it is right when a student gets in trouble for breaking school rules.
If you want to be rude and refuse to apologize to a traffic stop, see how far that will get you. But beyond that, there is no justification for the rudeness, since the person who did the deed bears the responsibility. So somebody is going five over the speed limit, cop pulls him over and the guy is rude so the cop writes him a ticket. If the guy had apologized the cop probably would have just let him off with a warning. But the rudeness and failure to apologize made a bad situation worse.
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