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BM, if you don't care to read the research and the reporting on the virulence of the diseases and how many people died from it - even if YOU didn't know anyone - that's your problem. Most of us prefer to do the research.
Of course it is, by definition it is.
The conscious decision to fail to take proper care in doing something.
This is stupid, we have examples from just last year in Ohio with the Amish breakout, many had to be hospitalized.As I have mentioned before, I lived during that era and remember what happened. The only "research" you have is what you have read out of a book or on the Internet, research, tainted at best, all to push someone's plan for how they want society to march in lockstep.
We're not talking about JUST measles immunization, my argument is that NOT having a child immunized is intentional neglect, it is consciously not taking proper care.It is no more negligent than going out with the flu and some old person getting it and dying. Stop being dramatic.
It's an estimate. CDC data shows around 400 cases per year leading up to the vaccine. Estimated about 16-17% of those being infant deaths based on data from 1990, when 89 people died.Got any stats on that? 65 infant deaths/yr to measles 50 yrs ago?
There is almost no risk of side effects. They almost never happen.
Yes, I think everybody knows that.No, but you can protect them better if everyone else is vaccinated and the disease pretty much disappears from the country.
Which is what had happened.
Inaccurate view of history? I lived during the era. I don't have to read science fiction on the Internet.
Yes, I think everybody knows that.
It's an estimate. CDC data shows around 400 cases per year leading up to the vaccine. Estimated about 16-17% of those being infant deaths based on data from 1990, when 89 people died.
Yes, of course you're right, babies receive numerous vaccinations in the first year, starting at birth. I was referring to the measles (MMR) vaccine, though it appears that can even be given at six months for infants that will be traveling outside the US. Typically, however, it occurs after their first birthday.Actually, you can. An infant in my family was born 3 months premature and before he left the hospital, he was given a raft of vaccinations, including one for the flu and RSV. It was also strongly suggested his parents and all immediate family members who would be around him with any regularity get their flu shots as well and to severely limit his exposure to public spaces and strangers for a year. Further he received an RSV shot every 28 days for his first year.
I don't believe the MMR was part of that infant's immunizations when he left the hospital, based on the CDC recommendation to give the first MMR vaccination at 12 months. That left him and leaves any infant under a year old at risk of contracting measles, which is highly contagious.
CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules Shell
It is no more negligent than going out with the flu and some old person getting it and dying. Stop being dramatic.
We're not talking about JUST measles immunization, my argument is that NOT having a child immunized is intentional neglect, it is consciously not taking proper care.
I fail to see how causing a death by spreading a flu virus is viewed so flippantly....but then we must have very different views on life and responsibility.
No. It would be simply nice if they made them free.
Look, I know people are on me about this but my kids are not vaccinated because of my ex-wife. Well, one has some vaccinations but since she almost died we stopped. My ex is paranoid about them now even though I know that she had an adverse reaction and it might not have even been the vaccine. I am in the process of taking her to Court led mediations and one of my agenda items is to get our girls vaccinated. There is no way in hell she will agree though. When I take them back to the states I am always a bit nervous...
Lol, it's irrelevant to the point that was made that you responded to, as I explained earlier.bobbed and weaved to get out of your original statements.
sure.
Lol, it's irrelevant to the point that was made that you responded to, as I explained earlier.
Almost never is not never, and it would be greater than the risk to me as being around someone who was never vaccinated as have been vaccinated more than once for MMR.
Sick people at work infuriate me.
Yet of course I understand if they dont get sick time.
Just one more reason to expand working from home opportunities for people.
(Which I do these days, go in one day a week. I only hope parents dont pass their kids' crud on to me)
Yes, of course you're right, babies receive numerous vaccinations in the first year, starting at birth. I was referring to the measles (MMR) vaccine, though it appears that can even be given at six months for infants that will be traveling outside the US. Typically, however, it occurs after their first birthday.
Around 400 cases per year that resulted in death.You could have linked to it.
400 cases per year? Measles? That was in my community alone! Now...link?
Around 400 cases per year that resulted in death.
You're not following... the total number of deaths was in the 400s, the subset of those that occurred in infants under age 1 was estimated at ~65.Even that seems low but higher than your original 65.
Right. And the smallest government is no government at all.
If you shrink government, is this not the logical conclusion?
Then I don't agree with you. I don't agree that your argument doesn't lead to anarchy.
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