Montecresto
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Yep!!!
The day a nuclear power is going to be tried in an international court of law is the day I'll chop my left nut off.
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Evidence...where is it? Understandably, right now everyone is guessing. For one thing, evidence is disappearing, to wit; Looters Stole Cash, Credit Cards, and Jewelry from Flight MH17 Crash Victims also Ukraine: Russia helping rebels destroy Flight MH17 evidence.
While I believe Russia is complicit in this, despite all the political rhetoric coming from the White House, I still have my doubts. Once bitten, twice shy.
It would be extraordinary, if NATO had not watched the air space with ground based radar and AWACS. Either would have noted any rocket and its signature. They know if it was shot down, from exactly where the rocket was fired and what make the rocket was. If they don't someone needs firing badly.
I certainly wish you good luck, though, we do need a general system for generating international security and a number of other public goods. Baring that, you probably will not have another 40 years left. So depending on your age, it might be tight.
NATO already said there AWACS flying nearby picked up nothing. Pentagon already said the separatists hadn't the means. Those reports will likely be swept under a rug.
Most of the world wasn't paying attention then, as evidenced by the downing of this plane. Want to bet the world is paying attention now.
You either don't read my comments or don't understand.
Even if you have an anti-nuclear system that can intercept, precisely, every time, nuclear weapons in flight, you still have to deal with the fallout. That's why there is no answer to nuclear arms. That's why whoever has nukes is untouchable in so many ways. Unless you're willing to completely cover the entire country with a lead roof. And die in 50 years from lead poisoning.
HOWEVER>>> North Korea has nukes. Or at least we assume they do finally have the know-how. There was a report that they might be able to create nuclear weapons in February this year, at least in some capacity. And what was the news that came out just last month or this month? China and South Korea are going to work together to make sure N. Korea doesn't ever get any nukes.
Now why do you think that is? Logically, China doesn't want the stupid kid next door to have nukes or prevent getting them.
That's why the issue of Iran getting nukes is also crucial, but they're not going to get them anytime soon and if they move in the direction that this new administration wants to, they'll never get them.
So Russia is doing the rest of the world a massive favor by pretending that it didn't do it and that it was totally only the separatists fault and trying to make a cover-up. It really is doing the world a favor. You know why? Because if it would come out tomorrow and say "yeah, we shot them down, totally. We had everything to do with it. It was our GRU special troops manning our BOK missile launcher that shot down that plane"... what do you think will happen? The rest of the world would have to pretend like they didn't hear that Putin just said that. Russia would call the worlds' bluff and we would have to go in, all nations and say: "Are... are you sure?. I mean, if it was a mistake, we'd understand mr. Putin. Really. It was a mistake".
Right, like the official investigation and documented conclusion in Iraq, where Hans Blix and his team found no WMD, but the US narrative went forward anyway. Abuse of the UN resolution for use of force in Libya. Attempted blame of president Assad for rebel gassing of civilians in Syria, continued support of militant Islamic groups throughout the ME. It's called a credibility problem.
Do you by any chance have links? What I have read contradicts that and it would be interesting to read your source.
:doh So much fail in one post....You've got it wrong what Blix said, You do have a point about Libya but as usual with THIS administration the US failed to get the proper job done, You make it sound like Assad didn't gas his own citizens, and you have it somewhat right about Obama supporting Islamic groups, ie: Hamas.
Oh please, go and read Hans Blix's book, Disarming Iraq.
Blair's blind faith in intelligence
A month before the war, I told Tony Blair it would be absurd if 250,000 troops were to invade Iraq and find no WMD. So it was.
What gets me is how you can dismiss the overwhelming evidence of WMD being moved before the invasion, and the cat and mouse game SH played with inspectors including Blix before the invasion, and focus on the end result of SH's ploy to hide what he had...Regardless of what you did, or didn't tell Tony Blair, thank goodness he didn't listen to you.
Tell me, recently there was a headline concerning ISIS taking over an Iraqi Uranium storage facility...Why would that be a concern if there was no Uranium?
You aren't listening to HANS BLIX. He told you he had unfettered access this time, unlike 1991. He pointedly accussed Bush and Blair, I fail to understand your insistence otherwise. Read his book for Pete's sake!
A decade of US occupation failed to find and secure/destroy a uranium cache. You promote Bush incompetence.
Saddam Hussein hasn't been in Iraq for over a decade!!
Yes, thanks to us.
Boy did that fly over your head! :roll:
Different scenario here. 10 years of war versus a split second shooting of aircraft. I trust the technology US possesses to detect missile launches.
American citizens don't even trust the US government so I could only imagine what the rest of the world thinks about them.No doubt about that, but you fail to mention that the US leaders are a pack of well known liars.
Technology is there and it is good, but it is in the hands of pathological liars, and that requires at least a teaspoon of salt.
A NATO official in an email to Situation Report this morning on tracking the missile: "Two NATO AWACS surveillance planes were on patrol over Poland and Romania at the time of the incident. Their flight records are being reviewed. However, given the great distance of the AWACS patrol routes from the area where the Malaysian airlines flight went down, we do not expect that our aircraft recorded the incident."
FP's Situation Report: Still no hard evidence to pin downing of jet on separatists; Three-star: military force and passion don't mix; Israel targets Hamas tunnels, ops; Dunford on ambiguity on drawdown plans; and a bit more.
American citizens don't even trust the US government so I could only imagine what the rest of the world thinks about them.
It is easily possible that two AWACS did not see what happened. There would, however, be no excuse. They were not really very far away for the equipment on board and they had been stationed to watch that airspace meaning that the deployment would have taken the range into account. From earlier encounters I remember that the range for directing air combat is much larger. Romania and Poland are each only one small country removed. If they did not track what happened then we have a real security problem.
....But there could be little better for Kiev, then the separatists shooting down a civilian airliner!! .....
So you think cui bono?
My personal view is that the blame should primarily fall to the airline in this case.
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