Old and wise said:The allied forces used phosphorus to burn 30,000 innocent people to death in one night in Dresden during WWII. I know because I was one of the survivors. Somehow it seem justifiable when the U.S. does that but the rest of the world is not.
Isn't it wonderful how we jam democracy down peoples throats whether they like it or not? No wonder the world hates us.
Deegan said:Hmmmm, maybe you would have done better had we let the German's do it, Yeah, that would have been a lot better, ingrate! You would be neither, old, or wise, had we not done what we did, the wise part is becoming more and more hard to digest sir!:roll:
Old and wise said:The Germans would never have done that to their own people. They murdered a lot of jews, which was inexcusable, but to burn 30,000 innocent civilians to death is a war crime that can not be denied.
And how would you know? Have you ever lived through that kind of hell?
I am not asking for sympathy nor would I expect sympathy from you. You appear to me to be nothing but an extreme neocon that follows the dictator Bush's philosophy no matter what the rest of the world thinks.Deegan said:The Jews were their own people, just as the Christian were, and the Germans that refused to do Hitlers bidding. If you were burned, blame Hitler, not the states, as you could have stood up, but you and yours decided to wait it out, your country deserves every scare it has, if you want sympathy, you won't get it from me. :roll:
And yes, I have, it was September 11th 2001
Old and wise said:The allied forces used phosphorus to burn 30,000 innocent people to death in one night in Dresden during WWII. I know because I was one of the survivors. Somehow it seem justifiable when the U.S. does that but the rest of the world is not.
Isn't it wonderful how we jam democracy down peoples throats whether they like it or not? No wonder the world hates us.
ANAV said:Let me try to get your post right. You were a German survivor of these alledged evil American atrocities, but yet you moved to America. Why? Either you are the most forgiving person in the world or you are full of it. If you are still that disgusted with America get on das boot and sail back to where you came from.
How can you say that? I don't know about the WMD's, but Iraq was harboring terrorists and Saddam was a ruthless murder( I know this is repetitive). I'm guessing your not the most Conservative person,so I'm .And if that is the case your own boys Kennedy:drink , Kerry and CLINTON said Saddam was a threat, and Ted saw the plan for Iraq and he voted for it so...It's not just bush because your guys wanted it to.I fully support this country in any war that is justified. The current one is not.
Repubteen said:How can you say that? I don't know about the WMD's, but Iraq was harboring terrorists and Saddam was a ruthless murder( I know this is repetitive). I'm guessing your not the most Conservative person,so I'm .And if that is the case your own boys Kennedy:drink , Kerry and CLINTON said Saddam was a threat, and Ted saw the plan for Iraq and he voted for it so...It's not just bush because your guys wanted it to.
Repubteen said:Well when this argument was posted ,the poster was not sure if the US had permission to use this weapon. But if we were why cant we use it? It seems to me like we have these weapons so we can threaten , but never to use. And the terrorist up until this point new that. We need to keep doing things like this so the terrorist understand we mean business.
libertarian_knight said:for Clarity, White Phosphorus, legally, is not considered a chemical weapon. It is considered an incendiary weapon, and as such is only prohobited from use in civilian populations. There is some argument (and I don't buy it) that at the time of it's use in Falluja, that there should have been no remaining or significant civilian populations present, as a result of the city's evacuation.
Dezaad said:My understanding is that WP is, in fact, a chemical weapon. But, I suppose a person could debate all day about the definition of chemical weapon. It is also my understanding that some treaties, not signed by the US, ban its use at all.
Old and wise said:The Germans would never have done that to their own people. They murdered a lot of jews, which was inexcusable, but to burn 30,000 innocent civilians to death is a war crime that can not be denied.
RightatNYU said:People here are missing one key fact....
If WP is a chemical weapon, then that's incontrovertable proof that Saddam had WMD.
You do know that Saddam had stockpiles of WP that we found when we invaded, correct?
It's interesting how when we found it then, the MSM claimed that it wasn't a WMD because that would destroy the "No WMD in Iraq" meme.
However, now that it's come to light that the US may have used it, it's back to full on WMD status.
So how do you want it? Either we're doing nothing wrong in using it and our troops are behaving responsibly, or Saddam had WMD's and our mission was justified.
It's a sad state of affairs when the left is eager to avoid either of those choices...
Riiiiiight....
libertarian_knight said:WP weapons aren't, at least according to US law and many international treaties, chemical weapons, read my post on the prior page for clarity if necessary, it's an incideary weapon, a firebomb.
Furthermore, WP by itself, is not a weapon, as we should know by now. WP is a multi use product. When configured for munitions use, the WP weapons are still classified as incindeary. It's closer to Napalm than mustard gas.
Some countries do consider it a chem weapon, on their own, and ban it's use as a weapon. The Arguement can be made that it is indeed a chemical weapon, but legally it's not so. And the arguement, is generally weak, since it's better used as a firebomb. and Legally, with the US as a signatory to a treaty (which name escapes me at the moment) as a firebomb, it's use is prohibited in civilian areas.
danarhea said:Last week, the administration was denying that it used white phosphorus against the population of Fallujah last year. This week, after overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they reversed their position and admitted using it, but claimed that only insurgents got the chemical treatment. Tell that to the women, children, and even babies who died in hellish agony.
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