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US State Dept. :The US officially has withdrawn as mediator in the Ukraine war.

So whats your beef? Trump has put American interests in line with Ukraine. Isnt that what you libs have been demanding forever?
 
Trump didnt throw Zalenski overboard. The US has a mineral deal with Ukraine, not Russia.
 
This might be a good opportunity for China and India to step in and try to broker a peace deal. This obviously is above Donald’s paygrade.
 
Remind me what Biden did to stop the war?
 
Integrityrespec said:
Remind me what Biden did to stop the war?
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He did the only thing possible. Giving military aid to help Ukraine defeat the Russians. Biden was right not to negotiate with a war criminal and Trump disgraced us again by doing it. At least now Trump seems willing to sell Ukraine military aid and that is better than nothing. You have no comment about Trump latest statement where he said he was joking about ending the war in 24 hours? Did you get the joke?
 
Fletch said:
So whats your beef? Trump has put American interests in line with Ukraine. Isnt that what you libs have been demanding forever?
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The "beef" is of course is his lie told to voters which he now say was just a "joke". He has waffled so much with Ukraine that I can't believe a thing he says about the war either. I think Trump finally realized that his approval ratings would fall even lower if he deserted Ukraine. Most American support Ukraine over Russia. Are you one of those?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The posturing is hilarious given the fact the US used donkeys in Afghanistan.
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LOL Russia is using donkeys to deliver supplies to their front line troops. We didn't have any front lines in Afghanistan. We also did not attack on electric scooters or Chinese golf carts because we were out of armored troop carriers.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The posturing is hilarious given the fact the US used donkeys in Afghanistan.
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Your comment is hilarious given the fact that the US used donkeys only in high mountain areas and narrow passes, inaccessible by motor transit. Even the Ukrainian Carpathians don't require donkeys to traverse, and they are at the extreme other end of the country, no where near Russia's incursion and illegal occupation. You're proffering a very feeble false equivalency.
 
Actually at this moment at least Trump is throwing Putin overboard and is now selling military aid to Ukraine. It is the best we dared to hope for. Let's hope he doesn't waffle again.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Russia is using donkeys to deliver supplies to their front line troops. We didn't have any front lines in Afghanistan. We also did not attack on electric scooters or Chinese golf carts because we were out of armored troop carriers.
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The US used donkeys to transport supplies and perform other needed tasks as well, which makes the posturing silly, as already pointed out.

The Russians aren’t “out of armored personnel carriers”. There’s literally photos of plenty of them being prepared for the big parade coming up.
 
There is no whataboutism that Tiger won't resort to when it comes to his beloved Russia. He still thinks Putin is winning in Ukraine.

At The Current Rate, It Would Take Russia Centuries And Tens Of Millions Of Casualties To Capture Ukraine​

But that doesn’t mean Russian leaders aren’t committed to the war effort

Russian forces managed to capture around 68 square miles of Ukraine in April. But it cost them 4,800 vehicles and more than 36,600 dead and wounded troops, according to one statistician who collects data mostly from official Ukrainian sources including the general staff in Kyiv.
In the same month, Ukrainian losses were “minimal,” concluded analyst Konrad Muzyka of Rochan Consulting in Poland.

Ukraine sprawls across 233,000 square miles, 19% of which is under Russian occupation. At the current rates of advance and loss, the Russians would capture the rest of Ukraine in the year 2256 at the cost of 101 million casualties. The current population of Russia is 144 million.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...of-millions-of-casualties-to-capture-ukraine/
 
You are aware large parts of Ukraine turns into bog unsuitable for motorized and armored vehicles during large portions of the year...right?
 
“According to Ukrainian claims about Russian losses”

Watching you grasp at more and more straws to avoid facing up to Ukraine’s repeated setbacks remains hilarious.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You are aware large parts of Ukraine turns into bog unsuitable for motorized and armored vehicles during large portions of the year...right?
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When your argument is already deep in a hole, it's best to stop digging.
 
MamboDervish said:
When your argument is already deep in a hole, it's best to stop digging.
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You refusing to accept the reality that large portions of Ukraine become swamp for much of the year, because it’s inconvenient for your narrative.....can’t actually change the facts.
 
He didn't give aid to help defeat Russia, he gave aid to continue the conflict. There was no intention to defeat the Russians, Biden turned down all the arms that might have enabled a victory. He just kept it going and kept calling Putin a war criminal and a thug and never bothered to try to negotiate a peace deal with Putin. That's not ending shit.
 


But what's your beef given you did not believe him, and consequently did not vote for him?
 
Yes the "big parade" every autocrats dream and a huge waste of money that Russia does not have. Any military vehicles in that parade are leaving Russian soldiers in Ukraine lacking. Not that Putin cares. His show is far more important than even 1000's of Russian lives. He is the poster child for why we can't allow dictatorships to flourish. They use the money we give them to kill millions of their neighbors and even more Russians in senseless wars of vanity.
 
Juin said:
But what's your beef given you did not believe him, and consequently did not vote for him?
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I think lying to get elected is more than enough grounds for a "beef". American voters were duped by a cheap grifter. In America our leaders are accountable and that price will come due for Trump.
 
It's hilarious that so many grown men and so many grown women actually believe Donald Trump.

They're just suckers.
 
The US is literally hosting a big parade this year

If the Russians are “out of armored vehicles” they wouldn’t be able to have the parade to begin with.

We’ve already established your claims about Russian deaths are laughable on every level.

America proudly crushes democracies and supports dictatorships across the globe. Autocracy hasn’t had a better friend than the United States over the last seventy plus years.

America has fought basically nothing but “senseless wars of vanity” for decades now.
 
iguanaman said:
I think lying to get elected is more than enough grounds for a "beef". American voters were duped by a cheap grifter.
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Each voter decides for himself and votes accordingly. You made your choice and voted against Trump, right? So what is your beef? You appear to be quareling with the choice of others
 
Tigerace117 said:
We’ve already established your claims about Russian deaths are laughable on every level.
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The contradiction between claims of astronomous deaths and absence of a Russian collapse is mind boggling
 
Juin said:
Each voter decides for himself and votes accordingly. You made your choice and voted against Trump, right? So what is your beef? You appear to be quareling with the choice of others
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That is the point. How can you "decide" when one side tells nothing but lies? There needs to be and will be a penalty for lying to voters. 49% of voters chose Trump and 48% chose Harris BTW

With 96% of the vote in, Trump has, according to the Associated Press, 49.97% to Vice President Harris' 48.36%, or 76.9 million votes to 74.4 million.

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/03/nx-s...ial-election-popular-vote-trump-kamala-harris
 
You may laugh at all the Russian dead like Putin does but many Russians are not happy about losing their husbands and sons in a hopeless and useless war of choice.. Or maybe you think they are? What did they die for?
 
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