US Embassy in Kabul attacked on Christmas Day.....

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. Embassy in Kabul was hit by indirect fire before dawn on Christmas Day but no Americans were hurt, as attacks elsewhere in Afghanistan killed at least six people Wednesday, officials said.

Two rounds struck the sprawling embassy compound but it was not immediately clear which part of the complex, and a U.S. Embassy official said the incident was under investigation.

"At approximately 6:40 local time in Kabul, approximately two rounds of indirect fire impacted the U.S. Embassy compound," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations. "All Americans are accounted for and no injuries were sustained."

Indirect fire can refer to either mortars or rockets.

The Taliban promptly claimed they fired four rockets at the American Embassy on Wednesday and said they inflicted heavy casualties. But the insurgents often exaggerate their claims.....snip~

US Embassy in Kabul attacked on Christmas Day - AP News 12/25/2013 6:37 AM

Good thing that none of our people were hit.....shame out Troopers and those working for the State had to stay on Alert. Thoughts?

Hamster Buddha · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. Embassy in Kabul was hit by indirect fire before dawn on Christmas Day but no Americans were hurt, as attacks elsewhere in Afghanistan killed at least six people Wednesday, officials said.

Two rounds struck the sprawling embassy compound but it was not immediately clear which part of the complex, and a U.S. Embassy official said the incident was under investigation.

"At approximately 6:40 local time in Kabul, approximately two rounds of indirect fire impacted the U.S. Embassy compound," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations. "All Americans are accounted for and no injuries were sustained."

Indirect fire can refer to either mortars or rockets.

The Taliban promptly claimed they fired four rockets at the American Embassy on Wednesday and said they inflicted heavy casualties. But the insurgents often exaggerate their claims.....snip~

US Embassy in Kabul attacked on Christmas Day - AP News 12/25/2013 6:37 AM

Good thing that none of our people were hit.....shame out Troopers and those working for the State had to stay on Alert. Thoughts?

Meanwhile, we don't go after terrorist when they go into holy sites, and won't launch military campaigns in the month of Ramadan "in respect for their religion". They don't care, I say we return the favor.

anatta · Dec 26, 2013

does anyone see the Afg gov't surviving as as "stable institution", whenever we finally decide to leave?
Appreciate the ISAF work, but have serious doubts Afgan national forces can act as a cohesive unit(s), while being infiltrated, and while Afg Taliban work to undermine the Kabul gov't.

These things never semm to work, our nationbuilding has to be pedicated on not just popular support, but a willingness to take on the Taliban.
Any "AQ central" not degraded will also do their thing.

At best I see a protacted stalemate, with eventual overuns of Kabul. I hope I am wrong.

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

Hamster Buddha said:
Meanwhile, we don't go after terrorist when they go into holy sites, and won't launch military campaigns in the month of Ramadan "in respect for their religion". They don't care, I say we return the favor.

Mornin H Buddha. :2wave: They do know when our Holidays are. Seems more and more these days we are hearing of our Embassies getting hit or fired upon. Karzai was just speaking out against us the other day too.

He still hasn't signed the agreement.....thinking he will play it out until the last second.

We need to get all our people out of there.

Hamster Buddha · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
Mornin H Buddha. :2wave: They do know when our Holidays are. Seems more and more these days we are hearing of our Embassies getting hit or fired upon. Karzai was just speaking out against us the other day too.

He still hasn't signed the agreement.....thinking he will play it out until the last second.

We need to get all our people out of there.

Sadly, in ten years we'll have to go back in when the Taliban has reasserted power and allow Al Queda a base of operations to attack us from again. I wouldn't ever seriously be for colonizing a country... or glassing it, but if I was, I'd be for it for that **** hole.

anatta · Dec 26, 2013

Hamster Buddha said:
Sadly, in ten years we'll have to go back in when the Taliban has reasserted power and allow Al Queda a base of operations to attack us from again. I wouldn't ever seriously be for colonizing a country... or glassing it, but if I was, I'd be for it for that **** hole.

why we should have just used a counter-terrorism strategy to begin with. Instead of trying to nationbuild a "stable" Afg. gov't.

we've been pretty sucessful in degrading AQ, if not the Taliban. Our interest is in killing terrorists, not propping up the Afg. regime.

Go in and kill AQ/ leave/come back and kill some more. rinse and repeat.

CRUE CAB · Dec 26, 2013

annata said:
why we should have just used a counter-terrorism strategy to begin with. Instead of trying to nationbuild a "stable" Afg. gov't.

we've been pretty sucessful in degrading AQ, if not the Taliban. Our interest is in killing terrorists, not propping up the Afg. regime.

Go in and kill AQ/ leave/come back and kill some more. rinse and repeat.

How about we bring we decare victory, bring our troops home and remind them that we will come back and kill every living thing if they harbor another Osama.

WCH · Dec 26, 2013

Last year about this tim, a groups of about 100 tried to storm one of the bases. Sadly they were all killed.

Hamster Buddha · Dec 26, 2013

annata said:
why we should have just used a counter-terrorism strategy to begin with. Instead of trying to nationbuild a "stable" Afg. gov't.

we've been pretty sucessful in degrading AQ, if not the Taliban. Our interest is in killing terrorists, not propping up the Afg. regime.

Go in and kill AQ/ leave/come back and kill some more. rinse and repeat.

I'm actually one for Nation building. Not because leaving the place better than when you found it isn't just a motto for when you a renting an apartment, but also so that people have an incentive in not running back to the Taliban. Since that isn't an option though, I suppose rinse and repeat is our only option.

CRUE CAB said:
How about we bring we decare victory, bring our troops home and remind them that we will come back and kill every living thing if they harbor another Osama.

Oh if only we could just nuke 'em. Yeah, I said it.

joG · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. Embassy in Kabul was hit by indirect fire before dawn on Christmas Day but no Americans were hurt, as attacks elsewhere in Afghanistan killed at least six people Wednesday, officials said.

Two rounds struck the sprawling embassy compound but it was not immediately clear which part of the complex, and a U.S. Embassy official said the incident was under investigation.

"At approximately 6:40 local time in Kabul, approximately two rounds of indirect fire impacted the U.S. Embassy compound," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations. "All Americans are accounted for and no injuries were sustained."

Indirect fire can refer to either mortars or rockets.

The Taliban promptly claimed they fired four rockets at the American Embassy on Wednesday and said they inflicted heavy casualties. But the insurgents often exaggerate their claims.....snip~

US Embassy in Kabul attacked on Christmas Day - AP News 12/25/2013 6:37 AM

Good thing that none of our people were hit.....shame out Troopers and those working for the State had to stay on Alert. Thoughts?

They do not have to leave by helicopter yet.

KevinKohler · Dec 26, 2013

Dip all of out bullets in pork fat. Let them know we are doing it.

Hamster Buddha · Dec 26, 2013

Say what you want in Iraq, but the only reason that got turned around is because the Sunnis in the triangle saw what Al Queda was like and said "**** that!". They got it together, (with a little help from us) and we go things turned around. In Afghanistan, there just use to anarchy, they wouldn't want it any other way I guess.

anatta · Dec 26, 2013

Hamster Buddha said:
Say what you want in Iraq, but the only reason that got turned around is because the Sunnis in the triangle saw what Al Queda was like and said "**** that!". They got it together, (with a little help from us) and we go things turned around. In Afghanistan, there just use to anarchy, they wouldn't want it any other way I guess.

yes. and nationbuilding could have possily worked, except for the sectarian divide.
But we didn't think along those lines when we invaded (also disbanding the Iraqi army); which was one reason that Saddam held the place together.

The neo-con movement (democracy at the barrel of a gun) is the real problem. Obama carried on the same policy in Afg. only in a FUBAR manner.
Iraq's failure to negotiate a SOFA agreement, pretty much doomed any chance of the US holding that place together.

I'm just tired of the US being the bloody glue that has to try to keep foreign gov'ts together. Not our problem. unless we make it so.

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

joG said:
They do not have to leave by helicopter yet.

Heya Jog. :2wave: No.....but the time is getting closer. As you can see the Taliban is ratcheting up their attacks.

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

annata said:
why we should have just used a counter-terrorism strategy to begin with. Instead of trying to nationbuild a "stable" Afg. gov't.

we've been pretty sucessful in degrading AQ, if not the Taliban. Our interest is in killing terrorists, not propping up the Afg. regime.

Go in and kill AQ/ leave/come back and kill some more. rinse and repeat.

Well.....I don't think we have been degrading them. But we should start. Let them start hearing some messages to them. Directly from the American people. They will find out that most of us aren't afraid to talk the talk.....while walking that walk.

No need to be all PC with these guys. We want them upset and making mistakes. Let AQ know many of us aren't afraid and we just can't wait to get our hands on them. In anyway we can.

We should even hire bounty hunters to go out and hunt them down like the wild dogs they are. Then lets hear some more of that Sunni whining and crying.

anatta · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
Well.....I don't think we have been degrading them. But we should start. Let them start hearing some messages to them. Directly from the American people. They will find out that most of us aren't afraid to talk the talk.....while walking that walk.

No need to be all PC with these guys. We want them upset and making mistakes. Let AQ know many of us aren't afraid and we just can't wait to get our hands on them. In anyway we can.

We should even hire bounty hunters to go out and hunt them down like the wild dogs they are. Then lets hear some more of that Sunni whining and crying.

I was referring to "AQ Central", what is considered AfPak.

here is the best overall look I can find, a bit dated but pretty decent Central Al-Qaeda May Be Wounded but Terrorist Threat Remains

as to AQAP, and the affiliates: we can't be droning wedding partys. Not only morally disgusting, but counterproductive.
We are radicalizing the populace there; any large scale actions whether by drones/airstrikes/missiles - they do radicalize the populace.

Which may or my not "recruit" more AQ (prolly), but also allows AQ to be part of the populace (i.e.) giving aid and comfort.

What i'm saying is all AQ are not our problem. Go after the' immiment threats'/ high value targets only.
Else we aren't really doing anything but perptrating perpetual war.
I don't see any endgames, now that we're in the Global War on Terror.
Best thing I can think of is be very discriminatory in the targeting, for the reasons I outlined here.

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

annata said:
I was referring to "AQ Central", what is considered AfPak.

here is the best overall look I can find, a bit dated but pretty decent Central Al-Qaeda May Be Wounded but Terrorist Threat Remains

as to AQAP, and the affiliates: we can't be droning wedding partys. Not only morally disgusting, but counterproductive.
We are radicalizing the populace there; any large scale actions whether by drones/airstrikes/missiles - they do radicalize the populace.

Which may or my not "recruit" more AQ (prolly), but also allows AQ to be part of the populace (i.e.) giving aid and comfort.

What i'm saying is all AQ are not our problem. Go after the' immiment threats'/ high value targets only.
Else we aren't really doing anything but perptrating perpetual war.
I don't see any endgames, now that we're in the Global War on Terror.
Best thing I can think of is be very discriminatory in the targeting, for the reasons I outlined here.

Yeah I am not for all the droning.....See, I think up close and personal, like a shadow in the night. Puts more of a realistic fear into them than some buzzing drone coming in from wherever.

humbolt · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
Yeah I am not for all the droning.....See, I think up close and personal, like a shadow in the night. Puts more of a realistic fear into them than some buzzing drone coming in from wherever.

I agree. I think the personal touch is priceless.

anatta · Dec 26, 2013

MMC said:
Yeah I am not for all the droning.....See, I think up close and personal, like a shadow in the night. Puts more of a realistic fear into them than some buzzing drone coming in from wherever.

Ninjas? what? It isn't so easy to just waltz in and take out targets.

Look at the beachhead landing we tried in Somalia - they had night guards.
I mean i get the idea, strike terror into terrorists, but drones do that already.

MMC · Dec 26, 2013

annata said:
Ninjas? what? It isn't so easy to just waltz in and take out targets.

Look at the beachhead landing we tried in Somalia - they had night guards.
I mean i get the idea, strike terror into terrorists, but drones do that already.

Well.....thats what espionage, mercs, and assassins do. Doesn't matter the difficulty of the Contract. They know this going in. Whether they are protected or not.

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