Mr. Natural
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The pipeline is being built, as we type, I can see a section of it still above ground outside my office.
The existing refineries have more capacity to process than they are currently using.
The additional Oil will require hundreds more direct jobs, and several thousand secondary jobs.
Turning raw material into finished product, has always been good for the economy,
In the case of oil, the market is there and growing, we just need more raw material.
The really good news, is the same refineries that turn oil into fuel, can make fuel from scratch,
when oil becomes too expensive.
There has historically been a big multiplier for Refinery jobs.I hope your right. However, I have my doubts that the number of jobs you are predicting will arise.
Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes
There has historically been a big multiplier for Refinery jobs.
One Guy getting a Job making $70-90K, in an area with affordable housing.
Buys a house, Buys cars, boats, raises his Family,
all of theses activities spin off secondary jobs.
Like the Ford Plant in Louisville, may not employ tens of thousands directly,
but provides the community with many secondary jobs.
timorg02 is correct in posting that the decision to build the pipeline has already been made. In fact, I saw this as a done deal a couple of years ago. Obama and all American presidents and governments work for various forms of capital, not people.
Dittohead not! is also correct in pointing out that Obama is stuck between his environmental and labor constituencies, and so this politically problematic pro-pipeline decision that he has already made, when announced, will be a political disaster for the Dems.
So Obama has successfully avoided having his political chickens coming home to roost in the mid-terms, but has guaranteed a disaster for the Dems in 2016.
On the pipeline itself, the major concern is not the oil that it will inevitably leak, as pipelines do, but the gravely increased amount of CO2, etc., that will be released into our degraded atmosphere, and, most of all, the ironclad commitment to fossil fuels and the attendant destruction of humanity it represents.
I hate racism with a passion, but Obama is astonishingly conservative as well as politically incompetent. I'm afraid that an accurate assessment of him will conclude that he has been one of the worst, most hapless presidents in American history. Mr. Natural
Hmmm. Pipelines are the safest and least spill/leak prone means of transporting oil.
Assuming they are properly maintained. And they aren't in this country.
Lets be clear. Every day of delay of the pipeline is more profit for Warren Buffets rail system. There is a reason for his decision and as usual its "special."
Amen Brotha! :lol: The same Warren Buffet that believed the rich should pay more in taxes because of his hold on the insurance industry that makes billions off of wealthy people having to buy insurance to offset death taxes? :lol: What a sweetheart. It was special treatment for his brothas in the unions when it came to Obamacare. It was special treatment to the unions over shareholders with that fiasco at GM forcing them to retool to make these piss ant cars that no one wants at the cost of the taxpayers. It is the environmentalists pushing all the green energy "stuff" while their homeboys at the EPA are regulating the hell out of fossil fuels.
Pipelines in the US are far from the worst, and worldwide pipelines are the cleanest means of transport. The leak danger claim is a red herring.eace
I may be wrong but wasn't there a time when elected leaders did what they thought was best for the country?
Don't cha just luv it!? :bs:
Greetings, Vesper. ::2wave:
Yeah JH......wherein Team O. Noted themselves.
Despite this administration’s own findings that the Keystone project will result in significant economic benefits to our country, President Obama has placed politics over substantive policy that only serves to advance the agenda of well funded radical environmentalists.....snip~
But then everybody forgot The Democrats staying up all night to talk about Global Warming.....resulting in the Blue Dog Demos taking the hit.
Just like Obama knew they would.
Actually Polgara I am pissed over it all. I am sick and tired of a group of people in this country so ignorant to believe CO2 is a pollutant when every living thing other than a bacteria and a couple of fungi produces it and every green thing thrives on it while producing oxygen. And to allow these morons such powers as to hinder the pipeline, or put coal out of business, hinder drilling for fossil fuel and even regulate the flatulence of cattle, dairy cows and every other barnyard animal over CO2/methane they produce is preposterous. I'm tired of the same morons willing to even flirt with giving up the sovereignty of this nation through the UN with such idiocy. May someone enlighten them soon before they f-ing ruin this country.
When they refuse to listen to common sense, this is what you can expect! Who is there to "enlighten" them when every move is determined by party agenda, and not for the good of the country?
Oil is also used a great deal in manufacturing, plastics for example. A partial list of products made from petroleum
Five reasons why Keystone XL benefits the U.S. | Keystone XL Pipeline
I am not sure that the oil company who wants the pipeline is the best source to cite in defense of the pipeline. I do however, as I have stated, feel that the pipeline should indeed be approved simply for the foreign policy aspect and control of the oil.
I don't know whether or not what they're saying is true, but I do know that special interests have no qualms about publishing falsehoods and exposing themselves to "lies and ridicule."Maybe it's not the best source but is what they are saying true?
If it is false then they are exposing themselves to lies and ridicule, an opportunity for those who against most sources of power apart from wind and solar. Every word these companies make is scrutinized repeatedly by those who are against any sort of pipeline, and for any number of reasons.
Knowing all of this I may be moderately skeptical but remain more skeptical of those who claim only four or 20 people will be employed full time from this project.
Once again Obama shows he is not about jobs and bends to his special interests. As well as stick it Right into the Republican's eyes since they were hoping to work out a deal with him. No time limit.....just hold off indefinitely. There is no reason for the Republicans to trust him on anything he states. Now Canada will proceed to sell to China. No pick up on the jobs and revenue. What say ye?
The Obama administration is extending indefinitely the amount of time federal agencies have to review the Keystone XL pipeline, the State Department said Friday, likely punting the decision over the controversial oil pipeline until after the midterm elections.
The State Department didn't say how much longer it will grant agencies to weigh in but cited a recent decision by a Nebraska judge that overturned a state law that allowed the pipeline's path through the state, prompting uncertainty and an ongoing legal battle. Nebraska's Supreme Court isn't expected to rule for another several months, and there could be more legal maneuvering after that. The delay potentially frees President Barack Obama to avoid making a final call on the pipeline until after the November election.
"The agency consultation process is not starting over. The process is ongoing, and the department and relevant agencies are actively continuing their work in assessing the permit application," the State Department said in a statement.
In January, the State Department said that building the pipeline would not significantly boost carbon emissions because the oil was likely to find its way to market no matter what. Transporting the oil by rail or truck would cause greater environmental problems than the pipeline, the report said.
The State Department has jurisdiction because the pipeline would cross the border between the U.S. and Canada.....snip~
US delays review of Keystone XL pipeline
Associated Press By JOSH LEDERMAN and DINA CAPPIELLO 3 minutes ago
The Keystone is a lose - lose for the president and the Democrats. If it is approved, then the environmental community will be unhappy. If it isn't approved, labor will be unhappy. Both are supporters of Democrats.
Like Harry Truman said, "No matter what you do in this job, some SOB doesn't like it." So, someone won't like it, but at least they won't like it after the November election.
I don't know whether or not what they're saying is true, but I do know that special interests have no qualms about publishing falsehoods and exposing themselves to "lies and ridicule."
As for the numbers of people employed by oil pipelines, there are plenty of examples of oil pipelines already. The number people they employ should be a clue.
Oh, it's been a political thing since Obama took office.
That is transparent in Canadian reporting, where two years ago it was forecast that EVERY US agency would give a green light but would never be approved under Obama, and if so, as a lame duck.
You see, the history on this puppy goes way back, to the first economical development of synthetic oil from the oil sands in northern Alberta. When refined, it is cleaner, longer lasting and the finest high temperature lubricating substance on the planet.
Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is an addition to two existing pipelines transporting the crude to refineries on the Gulf Coast and then to offshore markets, meaning Asia, amounting to huge profits for investors and about 300,000 jobs over the life of the pipeline. Objections of technology have been overcome, the XL is called "XL" because it is the state of the art technology.
They have also re-routed over objectionable areas. It has been green lighted by the EPA, Interior, Labour, and for some reason Kerry and the State Department, presumably because this stuff is going to Japan, Korea, and China. State must also be aware that since Obama came into office, the Canadian end of the consortium, the one with the technology, has been planning an alternative, crossing the northern Rockies to Prince Rupert, where a Liquified Natural Gas Plant and ship loading facility are in the development stage. Chinese investors have let it be known they will build a secondary refinery there as well, which if it happens, will rob Americans of hundreds of thousands of jobs and the job creating profits to investors.
As the hearings on one of the three pipeline proposals have closed, federal approval is likely with the current Conservative administrations, which means all the remains is the usual threats of native law suits which get bought out pretty quick any more.
I'd say, if Obama doesn't green light it by 2015, it's deader than the stuff that died making the oil in the first place.
Then there is the issue of relations with your neighbors. One of the reasons Harper can't stand Obama is because the prick doesn't keep his word. Harper has been trying to shore up industry concerns; meeting with Obama on it at their first G-8, where, if you read between the lines of what Harper said and what the industry is now saying, Obama gave assurances...
Then, nope, some actors called a demonstration at the White House and that was that.
So now he has investors AND Canada pissed off, and the good people in Washington State don't understand why Canada and British Columbia won't renegotiate the Columbia River Treaty.
So the US government goes against the approvals of its own bureaucracy, gives up billions in profits, hundreds of thousands of jobs, while losing the support of his Northern neighbor, it's investors, the US labor community, and allows China to get another small step ahead....to appease some actors and their lemming followers..
That's good for whom now?
True, but, you see, none of that matters in Washington. The only thing that matters is scoring points for the party.
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