OldWorldOrder
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You never addressed the point. You posted a graph that had nothing to do with what you were claiming it had something to do with. I don't care how far you go back, but our interventionism in the ME which really took off near the end of/after WW II. It was in 1944 that the UK and US split up the ME for oil concerns. We've been meddling ever since.
We're much safer than the 1960s, of course. We're not under the threat of nuclear war. Terrorism is about the democratization of violence, via technology, and that has very little to do with American policy. What American policy could've completely avoided twitter?
Are we? We no longer have the Soviet Union it's true. But we're worried about North Korea having weapons, Iran going nuclear, Russia not being able to account for all its nukes, etc.
And? We were worried about North Korea before that. Pakistan before that. India before that. South Africa before that. Israel before that. These things have nothing to do with American policy.
Not quite to this extent. Pakistan we still worry about, didn't really improve that. South Africa isn't really any better. We still involve ourselves with Israel. Interventionism has fueled a lot of the conflicts.
South Africa isn't any better? Why are you talking about things you know nothing about? This is on par with the 'US trained OBL' escapade.
It's one of the most crime ridden countries on the planet. The Western world just doesn't really care much about Africa anymore. It's not that it's gotten better. Africa in general is rather messed up and we don't really pay much mind.
And yet none of that indicates that bin Laden worked for the CIA. It indicates that bin Laden would sometimes fight alongside Afghans, and that the CIA gave the ISI money, and that the ISI gave the Afghans money. bin Laden didn't need ISI money. So, like I told you pages ago: YOUR LINK DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES
Very much so.
Did you just link me Yahoo! Answers? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
No, I don't think that it's a cultural thing, I think it's a "we've been bombing and messing with the are for over 60 years" sort of thing. If people were up in our business, bombing our cities, deploying troops, making us do what they want for decades on end, we'd be pretty pissed too. So much so that if we were unable to solve this diplomatically, we would start engaging in terrorism.
Maybe some don't like us for our culture, but the level of success terrorists have had at waging their war and recruiting is heavily influenced by our own interventionism in the region.
Why did you talk about how South Africa "isn't really any better" when we're clearly talking about nuclear proliferation? Why would you do that? Did you
#1- not know that South Africa used to have nuclear weapons, and that obviously now the nuclear situation there is better?
#2- want to move the goalposts just to try to 'win' a discussion?
#3- other
Neither #1 nor #2 reflect very positively upon you, I must say, so I hope there's a third option there.
No, if "bombing and messing around" was the primary recruiting tool then the primary messaging tool wouldn't be bombing. Why they fight is not that we are there, it is what we represent to them and their culture.
Plus a Bio based on Truth. I am sure you can look up NBC directly. Same with MSNBC. :2razz:
Since overall our meddling there (the West in general) hasn't produced anything very substantial in gains there.
But let's state it a different way. SA was one of the few (maybe only?) countries to voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons, and it didn't come at the end of military interventionism. It was accomplished through diplomacy and treaty.
So, #1, #2, or #3 (other)? I'm not having a discussion with you until we get over these TREMENDOUS FLAWS in both your argumentation and your argument itself. You can't lie and have facts blatantly wrong, let them go completely unaddressed, and expect people to have conversations with you. Why would I start in having one with you when these issues are still on the table?
You blatantly lied about what I presented the graph for. You had some issue with the South Africa discussion (not sure what, yet). You are very unclear about OBL's involvement in Afghanistan in the 1980s and how it dovetails with CIA operations. God knows what else you'll make up, lie about, or just don't know about, so until we address these issues, there's nothing other than them to talk about it. Do you understand?
I clarified the argument. You can either accept it and address the points, or continue with petty insult. Your graph did not say what you thought it said and had nothing to do with what I claimed. So you can edit the argument and perchance discuss the actual points if you wish to engage in actual debate.
Very mature.
No serious discussion for you.
North Korea missile launches: Pyongyang toying with foes?
By Peter Grier | Christian Science Monitor 5/20/2013
That's one explanation for Day 3 of provocation from North Korea, which again fired short-range missiles or rockets into the ocean. So far, the medium-range North Korea missiles that caused a flap in April are nowhere to be seen.
http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-missile-launches-pyongyang-toying-foes-161654359.html
U.S. issues global travel alert over al-Qaeda threat
Embassies to close in Muslim world this Sunday
The Associated Press Aug 2, 2013
"Current information suggests that al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations continue to plan terrorist attacks both in the region and beyond, and that they may focus efforts to conduct attacks in the period between now and the end of August," the statement said.
U.S. issues global travel alert over al-Qaeda threat - Politics - CBC News
Interpol issues alert on mass prison breaks in Pakistan, Iraq and Libya
August 03, 2013
Interpol issued a global security alert to 9 nations Saturday after a series of prison breaks in Iraq, Libya and Pakistan, which the agency says may be linked, and in some cases were organized by al Qaeda.
Interpol issues alert on mass prison breaks in Pakistan, Iraq and Libya ? RT News
Prison break: Taliban gunmen free 300 inmates from Pakistan jail
Published time: July 30, 2013
Benghazi jailbreak: Over 1,100 prisoners escape in Libya amid protests
Published time: July 27, 2013
Over 500 ‘Al-Qaeda militants’ escape Iraq’s Abu Ghraib in violent break-out
Published time: July 22, 2013
Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemical Attack
Aug 25, 2013
Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemical Attack - ABC News
Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria
Britain is planning to join forces with America and launch military action against Syria within days in response to the gas attack believed to have been carried out by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against his own people.
By Tim Ross and Ben Farmer
25 Aug 2013
Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria - Telegraph
1. Attempted war on Iran. ….. (2) In same month, former Pope Benedict resigned under pressure. The Feds replaced him with a puppet of their own. As a Pope, Benedict would oppose war on Iran if it happenes. (see #759)
2. Bio attack – Bird Flu epidemic. ……
3. A nuclear war panic created by N. Korea. ……..
4. Domestic terror attack which at last will justify the war on Iran. The “terror attack” will be a “dirty bomb attack” or “nuclear bomb attack”. The likely target will be New York City. …..
Pope decries Syrian atrocities
In the wake of a suspected chemical attack, Pope Francis urges the international community to do more to end the country's civil war. Lindsey Parietti reports.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/pope-decries-syrian-atrocities-135133731.html
US arrests man 'with uranium for Iran in shoes'
August 24, 2013 Iran
A man was arrested in New York City's international airport with uranium destined for Iran hidden in the soles of his shoes, the US Justice Department said.
US arrests man 'with uranium for Iran in shoes'
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