US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’

[NWRatCon]

Well now, that depends on how you phrase it. Yours is clear racism.

Emboldened by Trump 2.0

 

[Northern Light]

Well now, that depends on how you phrase it. Yours is clear racism.

Whatever makes you feel righteous. *shrug*

 

[W_Heisenberg]

'Policing' - enforcing the laws - is what the government is attempting to do. No one is suggesting we have a 'police state'.

Normal policing enforces laws while respecting rights and using force only when necessary, but a police state uses law enforcement to control people through fear, surveillance, violence, the threat of violence, and suppression of dissent. Right now they are rounding up random people off the street. This is not the kind of country I want to live in. I don’t know why you would.

That's very different. There is no 'North Korea' style government being created.

Trump just used emergency powers, declaring a fake public emergency in DC, taking control of the city’s police, and deploying federal forces, including the Guard, despite historically low crime rates.

Wake up.

This is all rhetoric, and is not very helpful in having a discussion on these issues.

I’m calling it like it is.

Maybe just don’t care?

If Trump became a dictator tomorrow, you’d be happy with it?

 

[dcsports]

Normal policing enforces laws while respecting rights and using force only when necessary, but a police state uses law enforcement to control people through fear, surveillance, violence, the threat of violence, and suppression of dissent. Right now they are rounding up random people off the street. This is not the kind of country I want to live in. I don’t know why you would.

False. This is rhetoric.

Trump just used emergency powers, declaring a fake public emergency in DC, taking control of the city’s police, and deploying federal forces, including the Guard, despite historically low crime rates.

The 'crime rates' don't match reality. Note that the police union doesn't believe the stats, and there's a precinct commander on suspension for trying to falsify the statistics.

I’m calling it like it is.
[deflection removed]

You are parroting rhetoric - you just provided two examples. I'm not happy with a number of Trump's decisions, and changes under this administration. But at least be honest.

I've told you before, I'm happy to have a reasoned discussion, but I'm not interested in deflection or name calling. Take care.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I wrote:

Normal policing enforces laws while respecting rights and using force only when necessary, but a police state uses law enforcement to control people through fear, surveillance, violence, the threat of violence, and suppression of dissent. Right now they are rounding up random people off the street. This is not the kind of country I want to live in. I don’t know why you would.

You responded with:

False. This is rhetoric.

My response:

It's happening every day.

As more citizens are swept up in immigration raids, Democrats demand answers

Democratic lawmakers demand inquiry into whether citizens' civil rights have been violated during immigration crackdown.

www.latimes.com

These are just a few examples:

• 4-year-old U.S. citizen boy with Stage-4 cancer, deported to Honduras with his mother (lawyers say she wasn’t given a choice, DHS claims she chose to go).
• 2-year-old U.S. citizen girl, deported with her mother in a similar case.
• Job Garcia, U.S. citizen doctoral student detained for 25 hours after filming a Home Depot raid in Hollywood.
• Julio Noriega, age 54, U.S. citizen detained for 10 hours in Chicago after being picked up in a sweep, released without arrest being documented.
• Other unnamed U.S. citizens, attorneys and advocates report additional cases where citizens were arrested during sweeps, sometimes for filming raids, then taken to detention centers and released without charges.
• Fiscal year 2025 ICE data (likely undercount, per advocates): 7 U.S. citizens arrested

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The 'crime rates' don't match reality.

Your claim that crime‑rate figures don’t match reality is unsupported. The official data and independent analyses confirm substantial decline since 2023.

District Crime Data at a Glance | mpdc

2025 Year-to-Date Crime Comparison* As of August 15, 2025

mpdc.dc.gov

Violent Crime in D.C. Hits 30 Year Low

Total violent crime for 2024 in the District of Columbia is down 35% from 2023 and is the lowest it has been in over 30 years, according to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) and announced by United States Attorney Matthew M. Graves. A breakdown of the data is available here.

www.justice.gov

FACT FOCUS: Trump exaggerates, misstates facts on Washington crime

In justifying a federal take over of policing in Washington, D.C., President Donald Trump claims that crime in the capital city is on the rise and that homicide rates in 2023 were the highest ever seen.

apnews.com

https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2025/08/07/trump-federal-crackdown-dc-crime-rate-falling

CCJ doesn't use DOJ data, it aggregates data directly from the municipalities:

Crime Trends in U.S. Cities: Mid-Year 2025 Update - Council on Criminal Justice

Homicide and other violent crimes continue to fall below pre-pandemic levels in a sample of 42 U.S. cities. CCJ’s mid-year 2025 analysis also shows a year-over-year decrease in 11 of the 13 offenses.

counciloncj.org

If you have something to back up your claim other than the BULLSHIT spewing from Trump's fat mouth, present it to me.

Note that the police union doesn't believe the stats,

That's correct, but he's not the last word on this matter, and neither is Trump.

and there's a precinct commander on suspension for trying to falsify the statistics.

Mayor Bowser said the chief reviewed all seven districts and found the concern was "with one person" in one district and that they "don’t believe it implicates many cases."

DC police union head tells why he doubts city crime statistics

DC Police Union Chairman Gregg Pemberton said he doubts the drop in crime is as large as city officials are touting. News4’s Mark Segraves asked Mayor Muriel Bowser about a district commander accused of changing statistics.

www.nbcwashington.com