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US bars Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from UN meeting to recognise state

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US bars Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from UN meeting to recognise state​

https://www.ft.com/content/15fb8518-d55f-46cb-aa62-fd2aa2b10272
Trump administration extends visa ban to include authority's president

The US is barring veteran Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from attending next month's UN General Assembly in New York where the UK, France and others plan to recognise Palestinian statehood.

Secretary of state Marco Rubio said on Friday that the US would not give visas to members of the Palestinian Authority — the internationally accepted leadership who administer parts of the occupied West Bank — and the Palestine Liberation Organization, which Abbas also leads, ahead of the historic meeting.

The decision reflects President Donald Trump's continued support for Israel in the face of international anger at its 22-month war in Gaza, which local health officials say has killed more than 63,000 people.
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Trump is moving his authoritarian power onto the global stage by barring Abbas from attending the U.N. vote on statehood for Palestine. It should be understood that the Palestinian Authority is not the same as Hamas. They are two separate political entities that have been in conflict with each other since the election of 2007. That election split Palestine by creating two governments, the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority which governs the West Bank, and Hamas governing the Gaza Strip. This split has resulted in two separate de facto governments: the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority ruling parts of the West Bank and Hamas governing the Gaza Strip. For Trump to deny Palestine, a member of the United Nations, the right to be present for this vote, just reeks of dictatorship control.
 
Can the US unilaterally ban anyone they don't like, for fear of upsetting Israel? The United Nations, lest anyone forget, are not a US department.

Here are the facts of the matter:

Can the US legally ban Mahmoud Abbas and the PA from the UN General Assembly?

Accused of violating the UN Headquarters Agreement, US says it can do so to protect national security; there's precedent for the entry ban, but no definitive ruling on its legality
www.timesofisrael.com


So no, the US cannot ban Abbas according to the UN treaty. Refusing visa applications is all this immature and petulant excuse for an administration can do. As a last resort the UN can move to another venue where the US has no power to refuse visas. Then, of course, the US would refuse to participate, being as it is governed by children.
 
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Absentglare said:
Then watch republicans pretend it’s Palestine’s fault that Palestine is not recognized as a state.
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147 of 193 UN member states recognise Palestinian statehood. Palestine already enjoys 'permanent observer state' membership at the UN, but has no voting rights as yet. Israel has always held the UN in disdain, cynically violating every law, protocol and convention her UN membership demanded she observe and abide by as a condition of membership. Israel is free to leave the UN anytime she wants. Nobody would miss that pariah state.

What does recognising a Palestinian state mean?

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has announced that the UK will recognise a Palestinian state in September unless Israel meets certain conditions.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Don't care. Didn't say I liked it. But no sovereign nation can be forced to allow entry to somebody they don't want. Especially not by the UN.
 
ASHES said:
Don't care. Didn't say I liked it. But no sovereign nation can be forced to allow entry to somebody they don't want. Especially not by the UN.
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Supporters of that pariah state 'don't care' when they have to face the truth and don't like what they see and read. In case you forgot we're discussing Abbas attending the UN General Assembly, not applying for a tourist visa. That, the UN General Assembly, is where the US cannot unilaterally ban attendees.
 
Watch them. UN can host in Gaza or West Bank if he wants to attend, see how that goes. No outside actor has the legal authority to enforce such a thing.
 
ASHES said:
Watch them. UN can host in Gaza or West Bank if he wants to attend, see how that goes. No outside actor has the legal authority to enforce such a thing.
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The UN can host a General Assembly wherever it suits, with or without US participation. The US couldn't do a damn thing about it.

Israel is a rogue nation. It should be removed from the United Nations | Mehdi Hasan

One rogue nation cannot declare war on the UN itself and continue to get away with it
www.theguardian.com
 
The Palestinian Authority is under the administration of the Hamas government since 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pales...y (current de,the Hamas government since 2007.

Does that mean the Palestinian Authority is Hamas, a terrorist organization? Perhaps. Even if it isn’t, the Palestinian Authority gets its marching orders from Hamas. Recognizing the Palestinian Authority as the legitimate government is in reality recognizing Hamas at the same time as being legitimate.
 
No, the state is being recognised, not its government or political stance. Big difference. Israel was recognised in May 1949 while having engaged in concerted terrorist attacks against Arabs and the British.

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HumblePi said:
The US is barring veteran Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from attending next month's UN General Assembly in New York where the UK, France and others plan to recognise Palestinian statehood.
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If the US is going to do this simply because they are supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing it's time for a new UN.

Reestablish it in a country with a better grasp of neutrality. And no one gets a veto.
 
Kind of hilarious—and very telling—after all that “but Hamas” hysteria.
 
Another foolish political move by Traitor Trump.

Barring Abbas from entering the U.S. to attend the U.N. conference will only serve to increase international support for a Palestinian state and further erode America’s standing among longtime allies.
 
ASHES said:
Watch them. UN can host in Gaza or West Bank if he wants to attend, see how that goes. No outside actor has the legal authority to enforce such a thing.
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Then perhaps the U.S. should lose its security council seat and veto, if it’s going to throw a ridiculous tantrum about being expected to abide by diplomatic norms and international law.
 
You’re recognizing the Hamas state or nation although its going by a different name.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Then perhaps the U.S. should lose its security council seat and veto, if it’s going to throw a ridiculous tantrum about being expected to abide by diplomatic norms and international law.
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Ok, there can be a vote. It won't pass.
 
Perotista said:
The Palestinian Authority is under the administration of the Hamas government since 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority#:~:text=The Palestinian Authority (current de,the Hamas government since 2007.
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Untrue. There’s a clear difference between de jure and de facto.
Perotista said:
… the Palestinian Authority gets its marching orders from Hamas. Recognizing the Palestinian Authority as the legitimate government is in reality recognizing Hamas at the same time as being legitimate.
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Also objectively false.
 
ASHES said:
Ok, there can be a vote. It won't pass.
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Why should they even bother to vote on it? If the U.S. is just going to stop letting people attend the UN whenever it feels like it, then the U.S. doesn’t deserve the privileges granted to it by hosting the UN to begin with.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Why should they even bother to vote on it? If the U.S. is just going to stop letting people attend the UN whenever it feels like it, then the U.S. doesn’t deserve the privileges granted to it by hosting the UN to begin with.
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The other countries can start a new UN. A better one. Let them have hookers and blackjack.
 
ASHES said:
The other countries can start a new UN. A better one. Let them have hookers and blackjack.
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Great! Then the US doesn’t get to whine about the consequences of that….which would be significant.
 
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