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You are incorrect, Obama lost the Peace and now must clean up the mess.
NOPE. He doesn't have to do anything, nor do the American taxpayers who didn't vote for the idiot that created the aforementioned mess w/his invasion plan.
The responsibility for cleaning it up belongs to the one who started it and those who put him in power, which would be Bush himself and well, people like you.
I've already supplied one and you can google it yourself. This is something you should already know already if you want to seriously debate these issues.Link please?
It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.
You got any more revisionist stories to tell?
What?? Where did i stick up for Malaki? There is a real reading comprehension problem among leftists, and I blame the teachers unions.You're sticking up for corrupt Al Maliki that responsible for Iraq's problems? Good God man you righties are desperate.
The thousands who died after 'Mission Accomplished' and the thousands who would die to keep 'the promise'....
CON no sense! A contrived series of lies to build a house of cards, a coalition that was a few miles south of great, a democracy in name only, and a new terrorist breeding ground where none had existed before. More over we enabled Iran to gain HUGE advantage in the region. As far as winning a war, that is off the deep end!!!! We BRIBED our way out of Iraq after doing ever stupid move imaginable!
As far as President Obama pulling out our troops- the host nation refused to sign a status of forces agreement. Would you have us force our 'ally' to the table? Force out one hand picked crony for a more pliant one??? More bribes to what many outside of the CON circle saw as a corrupt Shia power structure. (do note the Kurds refused to play with anyone, even now as ISIL is poised on their borders)
BushII never won Iraq so the Obama could lose it.... get real....
Killing Isis who kills Americas is one thing. I feel any action like that should be met with significantly greater and harsher force. And then we should leave. Anytime someone considers harming America...they should have to consider that our reaction will be triple what they do.
Equally they should also feel that we won't be involved if they don't involve us.
Doing what we are doing is not going to win us any support and it is only going to create more problems down the road. Just like the Cold War.
Then he should have been more clear, What we do know that he never negotiated a SOFA and left in triumph, just as he had promised he would.Work on your reading comp. When Obama said, "No" he meant he is saying he didn't say he didn't want a SOFA.
What do you take me for?
Because we can't hold their hands forever. It was hoped if we didn't keep enabling them and being their crutch they might figure it's in their best interest to get their act together. Sadly I still don't think they get it. There new prime minister is chastising us for not being there sooner. WTF?
So, what's up with tipping one's hand to the enemy?
This is one of the problems with the freaking idea that Congress declares war and needs to be consulted.
I think the President should be the one declaring war and taking immediate action. Or at the very least, if there is Congress consultation it should be absolutely secret and behind closed doors.
In war, the element of surprise is very important and is only possible once - so, the first strike was the time to kill the maximum number of ISIS high level commanders and important personnel.
By engaging in our endless and paralyzed political process, we gave to the enemy all the time to hide and avoid our bombs.
NOPE. He doesn't have to do anything, nor do the American taxpayers who didn't vote for the idiot that created the aforementioned mess w/his invasion plan.
You realize it was Obama who gave them warning, 10+ days ago, I hope.
What's revisionist. Even Barrack said Iraq was stable and Biden called Iraq their greatest achievement. It was stable but when Obama withdrew the troops, against everyone's advice, we can see what happened. And this was also predicted. George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout - The Washington Post
What?? Where did i stick up for Malaki? There is a real reading comprehension problem among leftists, and I blame the teachers unions.
And he is right. Shouldn't the US have protected their investments in Iraq, including those who fought and died there? Why invest all of that and then just walk, knowing how weak Iraq was?
I do.
Obama DOES have to do something, he's losing married women because he's soft on terror. The dems know this, and the elections are a stones throw away. He's everyones President-do you extend your flawed logic to Obamacare? Not one republican voted for it-but EVERYONE IS FORCED TO COMPLY.
See how it works in reality? :2wave:
By Obama's own words it was a success, so logically the ISIS situation is his bad, right?
And this montage is pretty damning...
For the left the answer is simple-for politics-and that INCLUDES the anti-war left.
Don't forget the femi-nazis.
Work on your reading comp. When Obama said, "No" he meant he is saying he didn't say he didn't want a SOFA.
What do you take me for?
Obama didn't want a status of forces agreement. A status of forces agreement would have meant that Obama couldn't say he ended the war and that he brought the troops home. Then, when things went to ****, he crawfished saying that none of it was his idea.
You appeared to be blaming congress. Its funny, Obama sure didn't like it when Bush did these types of things. Why do you think Obama is doing them now?
Barrack Obama is a product of the educational environment where America was largely to blame for the world's ills, the American right wing was 'dangerous', and he understood that third world countries just wanted to get along in a peaceful world and America should just let them alone to do that. Barrack Obama had his 'conspiracy theories' as well, but most of these are disappearing now that he has been in office for six years and has a better idea of what's really going on.It's the political game, and of course when politicians start their games, the generals must be rolling their eyes since politics always gets in the way of efficient warfare.
I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I won't say "Obama did that so that his buddies the Muslims had time to hide" or other crazy such theories.
It's just that there is all this game being played about the president's and congress' powers and all and both sides do their best to blame the other side or even sabotage the other side.
The nation's military would be better off if the decisions got made secretly and they were allowed to implement them by surprise. Unfortunately this is not how the political system is set up.
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