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US-led air strikes kill 8 civilians, including 3 children, & 30 al-Qaeda-linked fighters, Syrian monitors say
So you are (apparently) comparing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as remotely similar threats to America as ISIS (which has about 10,000 troops, mostly in pickup trucks with NO air power)?
Noted.
Ron Paul says it much better then I can.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ress-votes-more-war-middle-east-ron-paul.html
You have a problem with it - take it up with him as I really do not much care what you think about this.
Good day.
I dont know that we have air superiority over Syria to employ drones.
Why did we fight the Nazi's and the Japanese in WW2? Why didn't it just create more terrorists? Why didn't appeasement work?
Fair enough. BBC Good enough?
BBC News - LIVE: US begins air strikes against Islamic State in Syria
Also, on the second post, all I'm saying is that things could be a lot worse you know? I wasn't meaning to imply that's something we have to worry about as far as ISIS is concerned (not for the foreseeable future at minimum). So if that's what the face palm was for, no reason to be alarmed.
Early reports seem to indicate we did in fact use drones, but that wasn't as big of news as it was for F22's to be involved. If that is the case, it is in fact the first time F22's have been used in combat to my knowledge.
I've always had two problems with the analogy of current ME conflicts and that of our WW2 adversaries. For one thing, we dropped something like a million tons of ordnance on Germany and two nukes on Japan. And to this point, we really haven't done that much damage and suffering. Plus, the Japanese and the Germans were far more civilized than these guys. And even in that case, had Hirohito not made a personal plea for peace, we probably would of had a situation very similar in to the ME in Japan.
One - I am not searching through that whole page for your data. If you have something to show, please be specific...I do have a life you know.
Two - all I saw (whilst glancing at the page) was this 'Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates "participated in or supported" the strikes, the Pentagon says' That says participated in or supported.
Three - I did not draw the cartoon. Nor do I take responsibility for it's accuracy. Nor do I care that much.
But if the Arab states are SO involved - then why do they need America (rhetorical question)? ISIS is (apparently) made up of only about 7-10,000 troops and ZERO airpower. I am quite sure Israel or Saudi Arabia or several other countries could obliterate them in a few weeks with air strikes if they wanted to.
If they want them gone so badly...let them do it.
You don't agree - I don't much care.
I am curious what other countries are actively striking at ISIS AND TO WHAT EXTENT...that is all I am interested in.
Debating closed minded people seems a ridiculous waste of time to me - no offense.
Good day.
The Guardian said:A Pentagon statement said the 14 strikes against Isis targets were carried out with Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Jordan confirmed it its airforce had “destroyed a number of targets that belong to some terrorist groups that sought to commit terror acts inside Jordan” without making explicit reference to Syria.
Truther, eh? :roll:
Im saying they were a radical ideology and we didn't ask to go to war with them-we were MADE TO, and we defeated them-and it didn't create more zealots. APPEASEMENT DID NOT WORK. Take a god damned deep breath and stop wanting to run. Some people (who behead children and crucify old men) only understand power, lets give them a dose and send a message.
If you watched any of the vids they're so keen on posting you'd realize that they aren't well trained and they aren't well equipped.
If anything they are only well organized.
Interesting on the drones, Im sure assad stood down but I know for a fact that ISIS has manpads all over its territory.
My comparison to ww2 was not on a logistical or even situational level-but rather an ideological level. The nazi and bushido codes. And yes, ISIS is worse.
:roll: calm down.
One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?
Save you answer, the question was rhetorical as I know you will probably just make some justification for more Neocon wars.
Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post
Saudi Arabia executes 19 in one half of August in 'disturbing surge of beheadings' - Middle East - World - The Independent
BBC News - Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' - CNN.com
We are done here, for now.
Good day.
Right, I'm sure they're just trying to establish a caliphate with rocks and slingshots.
They can't afford to feed their families, but they somehow have millions of dollars worth of arms. Makes sense.
Saudi Arabia is the USA's #1 ally in the Middle East. Moreso than even Israel. We will never do anything to harm the Saudis. Guaranteed.
Nope. But never let a good crisis go to waste.
For example.... Al Qaeda attacks the WTC, and we attack.... Iraq? They had what, exactly, to do with the world trade center attack? Nada. Nothing.
Had it not been for the inflamed American public at the time, though, and the rampant anti-islam sentiments in the US, the Iraq war could never have been justified.
:roll: calm down.
One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?
Save you answer, the question was rhetorical as I know you will probably just make some justification for more Neocon wars.
Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post
Saudi Arabia executes 19 in one half of August in 'disturbing surge of beheadings' - Middle East - World - The Independent
BBC News - Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' - CNN.com
We are done here, for now.
Good day.
Saudi Arabia is the USA's #1 ally in the Middle East. Moreso than even Israel. We will never do anything to harm the Saudis. Guaranteed.
Some ally.
You're right that we won't do anything to harm the Saudis, but that's not because we shouldn't.
Some ally.
You're right that we won't do anything to harm the Saudis, but that's not because we shouldn't.
They're a very good ally.
Without the support of the Saudi's, the American economy would collapse entirely. Let that marinate. We need them.
Well as long as you aren't a Truther then there's hope
Also, we didn't need 9/11 to justify air strikes back in the 90's during Desert Fox, so it's not like the US wouldn't go along with taking out Saddam. Also, you're missing the context of the fact that we believed (not just the US, even world powers like Russia and France who opposed the war) they had WMDs. In a post 9/11 war, it was very scary for us to think of country who was already our enemy, with access to those weapons.
Knowing what I know today, I wouldn't support the invasion of Iraq, but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. That said, I wish we still had Saddam around to deal with ISIS...
The difference being that Saudi Arabia hasn't threatened doom on the US, and the fact that the people they are beheading aren't journalist. Not to excuse what Saudi Arabia is doing, but let's not pretend that the two are equal.
:roll: calm down.
One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?
We shouldn't. If anything Iraq taught us (and Syria with Assad) it's better to back the evil governments as long as they keep their real evil contained....
Oh please, if forced we could adapt without Saudi Oil. Between the US and Canada, we have enough energy reserves that we could cope if we were forced to.
Everything is preliminary at this point, and often times these early reports turn out to be wrong.
One last thing I'll say about Japan and Germany is that both those countries have hundreds and thousands of years tied up in what it means to be "German" or "Japanese". For a country like Iraq, the term Iraqi means very little compared to Sunni and Shia.
First off, I wasn't referring to the drawing, but the Piccard face palm.
As far as your question:
US launches air strikes against Isis targets in Syria | World news | theguardian.com
And because you seem to be a bit touchy, I'll do the quoting for you this time:
Also, you know, if people are complaining about the US doing these air strikes, how do you think they'd react of Israel got involved? Heck, even when they were getting hit by Saddam, We made it clear that they were no to retaliate against that.
And finally, as far as me agreeing or not, I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest. For one thing, I do believe the current strategy is flawed and only going to cause more problems. I'd be working with Assad and Iran if I was in charge of things in coordinating a campaign against ISIS. Even without US efforts, I'm inclined to agree that the combined forces of Iraq, Assad's Syria, and Iran could probably handle ISIS. With all that said, we know what happens when we allow an Islamist state to exist...
Since when is having an AK-47 considered 'well equipped'?
Any other weapons that they hold have been gained by capturing Syrian Army outposts and nothing more.
You should look at the bigger picture, not what the government-controlled media is feeding you. Here's an interview with Dick Cheney.... yes that Dick Cheney.... back in 1994 after the first Iraq war. Notice how he's saying we shouldn't go in to Iraq and topple Sadaam Hussein, and listen to the reasons he gives.
You're telling me he forgot all that when he came back in to power the second go around? Use your head. What changed?
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