Boo Radley
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Can't be the Shining City on the Hill by sacrificing the ideals and resolve that got us there. No sir.
Let's assume you are completely right and two men were murdered. Tens of thousands were detained and released. A few hundreds who were deceptive or lied were detained. In years of war you have two murders and a few hundred detained. That sounds like a pretty good record to me. Has there ever been a war with so few murdered?
"We are largely" the UN's cash cow__nothing more - nothing less.If the UN is evil and corrupt, it is important to remember, we are largely the UN.
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Oh really?__Congress and the Executive Office have been enacting totalitarian laws that nullify constitutional "freedom and liberty" which they claim is to protect us from terrorism__Do you also object to this "sacrifice of ideals"?So the ends justify the means?
The adherence to freedom and liberty is not worth sacrifice of those ideals.
If the interrogators story conflicts with the charges, I will give them the benefit of the doubt rather than an agenda driven left-wing media and cowardly self-serving politicians who would sacrifice their own mother to improve their public image in the eyes of the world and their electorate.Does 20 years in the Army count? These were National Guard Interrogators or possibly Iraqis who murdered Delamar. We do not murder prisoners. Ever. The warrior ethic shuns such excesses. I do understand someone who kills beyond necessity during combat operations. Sitting in a secure prison in Baghdad is not quite the same thing.
Beating a prisoner to death is never acceptable.
"We are largely" the UN's cash cow__nothing more - nothing less.
They should be booted out of the US and declared a threat to America and an enemy of freedom.
No one said it did. When soldiers break laws they are prosecuted. I believe you are simply anti-American and certainly anti-US military. That much is clear.I'm sorry, but that doesn't excuse breaking our laws and ideals to do such evil and horrible things. You have set a low bar, to be sure. And a bar you really wouldn't accept in anyone dealing with our people.
But we're also not talking about a traditional war. We're talking about people pulled off the street. The cab driver was working and not firing at or fighting us. We just pulled him off the street. The fellow from Canada wasn't even over there at all.
See? Anti-American. You fail to note the context.Like I said, you set a low bar, and are too willing to excuse illegal and immoral behavior for not other reason than it is done by your team.
In what way?BTW, I'm exactly correct on those killed and tortured. Sadly.
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No one said it did. When soldiers break laws they are prosecuted. I believe you are simply anti-American and certainly anti-US military. That much is clear.
Yeah? So, what, exactly?
See? Anti-American. You fail to note the context.
In what way?
Here we go, when reason fails the argument, the weak minded resort to you hate America. Bravo!!!! :clap:
You cannot escape your anti-Americanism. I see you no longer bother to try.
Whether you like it or not it is war.So, it wasn't war, exactly. It's one thing to imprison soldiers, as in POWs. It's another thing to just pick people up all over the world and claim it is a war. You're giving government too much power, and forgetting any semblence of rule of law. This is more anti-American than anything those who protest it have done.
See my first response. It still applies.See my first reply to this. You repeat the same weakness.
No one has excused illegal behavior. The difference between us is that I recognized that murder is not US policy. If it were US policy no one would be disciplined or prosecuted.There is no context that exists which makes this acceptable. I'm sorry, but you merely wish it were so. You're too willing to excuse illegal and immoral behavior. Torture is illegal and immoral.
Two people. Was that it? Two people? High schools have more violence.This is really quite straightforward and simple. Those I say were tortured and or killed were. The evidence is clear and undisputed.
Whether you like it or not it is war.
See my first response. It still applies.
No one has excused illegal behavior. The difference between us is that I recognized that murder is not US policy. If it were US policy no one would be disciplined or prosecuted.
Two people. Was that it? Two people? High schools have more violence.
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