Police unions... what do you think? Makes it almost impossible to fire an officer, but does provide job security and likely better pay and benefits. But also allows officers to be lazy and non-responsive.
Aren't they, at least some, unionized already?
Yes, many "public servants" are unionized.
Police unions... what do you think? Makes it almost impossible to fire an officer, but does provide job security and likely better pay and benefits. But also allows officers to be lazy and non-responsive.
Aren't they, at least some, unionized already?
I get my wisdom from cop shows.Haven't bothered to more into it, but should.
Unionized police?
absolutely. the market will never treat police, fire responders, or teachers well without public employee unions. there's a next logical step to that as well. see if you can guess what it is.
Police unions... what do you think? Makes it almost impossible to fire an officer, but does provide job security and likely better pay and benefits. But also allows officers to be lazy and non-responsive.
Police unions... what do you think? Makes it almost impossible to fire an officer, but does provide job security and likely better pay and benefits. But also allows officers to be lazy and non-responsive.
Lemme guess- you get what you pay for.
More or less. Fair pay for those who dodge bullets, run into a burning house, and teach the next generation of brats to be good citizens seems to be a pretty good idea.
Isn't it interesting.. that those who support high pay for CEO's etc.. claiming... "you need to pay well to get the best people"...
Seem to conveniently forget that maxim when it comes to civil employees?
More or less. Fair pay for those who dodge bullets, run into a burning house, and teach the next generation of brats to be good citizens seems to be a pretty good idea.
absolutely. the market will never treat police, fire responders, or teachers well without public employee unions. there's a next logical step to that as well. see if you can guess what it is.
Apples and oranges, but nice try. Maybe the market can put out your house fire for you, though. Maybe an independent contractor will catch the arsonist.
Yep. Trouble is, it's a judgement call, putting a value on that kind of job. If you build houses it's easy- the lumber and materials has X value when delivered to the job, the house has Y value when completed and the difference is the value of what your crew produced. Cops, firemen, teachers, its not so easy but if you want to attract good people to those jobs (and everyone wants that) you'd better pay them.
Where I live - a county 1.5 million residents - the FD is a volunteer organization. They do a pretty good job without paying ANY salaries - though they do pay some kind of retirement benefit.
At this point I am pretty much against all public sector unions, but not for the reasons the OP went with.
In the present context they are weaponized political organizations that can extort from the private sector via taxes benefits that the same private sector will never see.
The NY PBA (Police Benevolent Association) has accomplished great things for its members. From legal assistance for home buying, adoption, estate planning to legal defense when warranted. It has negotiated wage and benefit packages, and protectively represented its members from overzealous and sometimes petty vengeful egotistical superiors. It has provided for the families of members fallen in the line of duty, and those suffering from their members being disabled in the line of duty. It has also negotiated for improved training. Yet it has also been in the forefront of dismissing corrupt and irresponsible members within its own ranks. Recently providing authorities information leading to the arrest of a member offering murder for hire.
If farmworkers, plumbers, electricians and so on can have unions, why not those who put their lives on the line everyday they wear their uniforms?
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