Under what circumstances should abortion be legal?

[Masterhawk]

The abortion question is obviously a very contentious one. Many conservatives are against abortion because they believe that the fetus is a living being. Liberals on the other hand see it as an issue of bodily autonomy. In recent news, a few states such as Alabama and Missouri have passed laws which increase abortion restrictions. Opponents of these bills feel that they infringe on women's rights.

This poll does not concern when abortion should be restricted (in regards to how far the pregnancy has gone) but rather simply about what circumstances should allow for abortion to be legal.

This will be a multi choice poll. Only stick with one choice if you pick "legal", "illegal", or "don't know". The multi choice is for people who believe that it should be allowed under some circumstances but not others.

 

[maquiscat]

This poll does not concern when abortion should be restricted (in regards to how far the pregnancy has gone) but rather simply about what circumstances should allow for abortion to be legal.

Explain the difference please. Is the former always legal except for A, B and C, and the latter always illegal except for A, B and C? If not that what's the difference?

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[code1211]

The abortion question is obviously a very contentious one. Many conservatives are against abortion because they believe that the fetus is a living being. Liberals on the other hand see it as an issue of bodily autonomy. In recent news, a few states such as Alabama and Missouri have passed laws which increase abortion restrictions. Opponents of these bills feel that they infringe on women's rights.

This poll does not concern when abortion should be restricted (in regards to how far the pregnancy has gone) but rather simply about what circumstances should allow for abortion to be legal.

This will be a multi choice poll. Only stick with one choice if you pick "legal", "illegal", or "don't know". The multi choice is for people who believe that it should be allowed under some circumstances but not others.

Abortion, like many things, crosses lines between personal and societal considerations.

Legality is a societal concept. Obviously, if there is only one person being affected, then society has no business butting in.

Whether I have one cup or two cups of coffee isn't really a societally mandated issue. Regulations regarding the actual coffee, the coffee maker, the electricity that powers it and so forth are societal issues.

Since the society has reneged on the responsibility to adequately care for any and all children that are unwanted, the need for abortion is thereby mandated BY SOCIETY.

Since society places the responsibility for lifetime care of the child on the individual woman, so the decision is appropriately left to the individual woman.

This is an awesome and terrible responsibility. It seems to me to be very unfair to demand this of the women so encumbered. Such is life...

Morality, life of the child and anything else is thereby removed from any consideration of legality of abortion.

 

[molten_dragon]

For any reason up to 20 weeks gestation. Past that only if there is a significant threat to the mother's life or long-term health or the fetus isn't viable. Probably a few edge cases that doesn't catch, but it covers most things.

 

[Lursa]

Voted "in all cases."

That's the whole point of choice: to enable each woman to act in the best interests of her own future & health, and her responsibilities to family (current kids, and most women who have abortions already have at least one, elderly, disabled, etc) and fulfilling their commitments and obligations to employer, community, society, etc.

Strangers nor the govt are in any position to know those things better than each individual woman.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

I say all cases, with a cutoff date, with exception of abortions being allowed past the cutoff date (like say, after the 2nd trimester- or say 4-5 monhts) if the mother's life is at risk

 

[Individual]

When the Woman chooses, but not after the birth record has been completed and signed by the Woman.

 

[Indie guy]

Abortion should be legal in all cases. We have more than enough children in the world and more than enough breeders that don't have the financial means or the brains to raise them properly.

I'd like to say either use birth control or abstain to prevent abortions but those things aren't fool proof.

Post-birth abortions should be used on hardened criminals especially rapists, murderers, and other thugs of the same ilk.

 

[Masterhawk]

Explain the difference please. Is the former always legal except for A, B and C, and the latter always illegal except for A, B and C? If not that what's the difference?

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The former means when it should be outlawed (for example, after 12 weeks) while the latter refers to circumstances (this poll) under which it should be allowed.

 

[soylentgreen]

Abortion should be legal in all cases. We have more than enough children in the world and more than enough breeders that don't have the financial means or the brains to raise them properly.

I'd like to say either use birth control or abstain to prevent abortions but those things aren't fool proof.

Post-birth abortions should be used on hardened criminals especially rapists, murderers, and other thugs of the same ilk.

Why is the question of legality even being brought up? Abortion is a medical issue not a legal one. Abortion should be a question asked between a woman and a doctor not a woman and her lawyer.

 

[Indie guy]

Why is the question of legality even being brought up? Abortion is a medical issue not a legal one. Abortion should be a question asked between a woman and a doctor not a woman and her lawyer.

Tell that to the religious whackos who have attempted to restrict abortion access in certain states, and make criminals out of doctors who perform abortions and women who have them.

 

[code1211]

Why is the question of legality even being brought up? Abortion is a medical issue not a legal one. Abortion should be a question asked between a woman and a doctor not a woman and her lawyer.

With respect, saying that abortion has implications, impacts and outcomes restricted exclusively to the area of medical care is a tad limited in understanding.

It's like judging the power of the ocean by the frailty of its foam.

Any action conducted in a society, by a group, that impacts life and death is clearly a legal issue that demands regulation. In this case, this issue is a part of considerations in many, many topic areas.

 

[BrotherFease]

I am in the minority here. I am in the pro-life camp. My view is that a fetus/embryo are human beings and are protected under our 5th and 14th amendment. I support abortion in cases of self-defense, like if the health or life of the mother is at stake or if she was raped.

My view is not based on religion or wanting to punish women, but merely to protect human life, which is what our constitution is all about.

The pro-choice camp has major logical issues for me. They argue "my body, my choice," but the fetus is not a member of the woman's body. It has its own body. A freedom is not a freedom, if it contradicts another person's life.

 

[maquiscat]

I am in the minority here. I am in the pro-life camp. My view is that a fetus/embryo are human beings and are protected under our 5th and 14th amendment. I support abortion in cases of self-defense, like if the health or life of the mother is at stake or if she was raped.

My view is not based on religion or wanting to punish women, but merely to protect human life, which is what our constitution is all about.

The pro-choice camp has major logical issues for me. They argue "my body, my choice," but the fetus is not a member of the woman's body. It has its own body. A freedom is not a freedom, if it contradicts another person's life.

Try this as an example. You wake up and find that another person has been connected to you via some machines, such that they are now using your bodily functions to stay alive. To disconnect them from you will kill them. Is your position that you are not allowed to disconnect them?

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[BrotherFease]

Try this as an example. You wake up and find that another person has been connected to you via some machines, such that they are now using your bodily functions to stay alive. To disconnect them from you will kill them. Is your position that you are not allowed to disconnect them?

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Are people pregnant forever? It's only a short-term time frame. 9 months at best.

Under your example, I would find away to disconnect that "machine" without killing the person. If I can't, I would wait until the "machine" malfunctions or goes away or when both parties can survive. It's entirely illogical of me to argue "one side has to live, and the other has to die".

More over, men and women CHOOSE to have sex. If they engage in sexual behavior, they know a baby might pop-out 9 months later. You take the risk, when you engage in such acts. You also risk getting an STD.

 

[marke]

The abortion question is obviously a very contentious one. Many conservatives are against abortion because they believe that the fetus is a living being.

Atheistic barbarians and corrupt religious animals think the unborn baby is not alive. They know the unborn baby is not dead, but they do not like the term "alive" because it messes with their abortion support narrative.

 

[Outlook]

The abortion question is obviously a very contentious one. Many conservatives are against abortion because they believe that the fetus is a living being. Liberals on the other hand see it as an issue of bodily autonomy. In recent news, a few states such as Alabama and Missouri have passed laws which increase abortion restrictions. Opponents of these bills feel that they infringe on women's rights.

This poll does not concern when abortion should be restricted (in regards to how far the pregnancy has gone) but rather simply about what circumstances should allow for abortion to be legal.

This will be a multi choice poll. Only stick with one choice if you pick "legal", "illegal", or "don't know". The multi choice is for people who believe that it should be allowed under some circumstances but not others.

I'm in favor of abortion but not late term abortion.
There are too many people in this world that have no business being parents.

 

[Obscurity]

I am in the minority here. I am in the pro-life camp. My view is that a fetus/embryo are human beings and are protected under our 5th and 14th amendment. I support abortion in cases of self-defense, like if the health or life of the mother is at stake or if she was raped.

My view is not based on religion or wanting to punish women, but merely to protect human life, which is what our constitution is all about.

The pro-choice camp has major logical issues for me. They argue "my body, my choice," but the fetus is not a member of the woman's body. It has its own body. A freedom is not a freedom, if it contradicts another person's life.

By your logic, everyone should be forced to donate all of their organs to everyone who needs them.

 

[Felis Leo]

For any reason whatsoever, up until the point of viability. After that point, a child should only be aborted if they present a threat to the life of the mother or the child would to a near-certainty be dead on arrival.

 

[Felis Leo]

Try this as an example. You wake up and find that another person has been connected to you via some machines, such that they are now using your bodily functions to stay alive. To disconnect them from you will kill them. Is your position that you are not allowed to disconnect them?

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That is an imperfect analogy because three factors have not been taken into account, maquiscat. First, in this scenario you would also have to account for the connected person being ambulatory. Second, the person whose life depends on the connection to no longer need to be connected after nine months. Finally, in the vast majority of cases, since unplanned pregnancy is generally the result of consensual sexual activity, in the vast majority of cases it was partially your responsibility that this other person has been connected to you.

 

[Felis Leo]

Abortion should be legal in all cases. We have more than enough children in the world and more than enough breeders that don't have the financial means or the brains to raise them properly.

That is a terrible principle by which abortion should be legal or illegal, Indie guy. Because if that is indeed your principle, it would mandate that women should lose their bodily autonomy and be disallowed the right to have an abortion if we ever reach a point where society does not have "enough children."

 

[Indie guy]

I am in the minority here. I am in the pro-life camp. My view is that a fetus/embryo are human beings and are protected under our 5th and 14th amendment. I support abortion in cases of self-defense, like if the health or life of the mother is at stake or if she was raped.

My view is not based on religion or wanting to punish women, but merely to protect human life, which is what our constitution is all about.

The pro-choice camp has major logical issues for me. They argue "my body, my choice," but the fetus is not a member of the woman's body. It has its own body. A freedom is not a freedom, if it contradicts another person's life.

Your position has some logical flaws too.

You say you don't support abortion because a fetus is a human life and protected under the constitution. Then you said you'd allow it in cases of rape. Isn't that exception violating the constitution which protects human life?

What about fetuses that have severe defects and will go through life disabled and non-functional? Would you prohibit abortion in those cases?

Maybe off the topic but what is your position on breeders that keep having children without any financial means and depend on the government to support them? As someone that leans conservative, I'd think you'd be aghast at having your tax dollars spent on welfare for these irresponsible people.

 

[antiquity]

Voted "in all cases."

That's the whole point of choice: to enable each woman to act in the best interests of her own future & health, and her responsibilities to family (current kids, and most women who have abortions already have at least one, elderly, disabled, etc) and fulfilling their commitments and obligations to employer, community, society, etc.

Strangers nor the govt are in any position to know those things better than each individual woman.

So What you are saying the man who impregnated the woman should shut up and go away.

Abortion should be legal in all cases. We have more than enough children in the world and more than enough breeders that don't have the financial means or the brains to raise them properly.

I'd like to say either use birth control or abstain to prevent abortions but those things aren't fool proof.

Post-birth abortions should be used on hardened criminals especially rapists, murderers, and other thugs of the same ilk.

Too bad the same should not apply on our southern border.

 

[Indie guy]

That is a terrible principle by which abortion should be legal or illegal, Indie guy. Because if that is indeed your principle, it would mandate that women should lose their bodily autonomy and be disallowed the right to have an abortion if we ever reach a point where society does not have "enough children."

That's not at all what I meant.

I really don't care if a person decides to have children or not but seeing the way many parents don't have the means to raise them and the way many kids turn out as adults, more people should be using birth control.

In fact I'd prefer the many means of contraception available more than I would abortion but contraception isn't 100% effective. For that reason I would still keep abortion safe and legal.

 

[Lursa]

So What you are saying the man who impregnated the woman should shut up and go away.

Is the man who impregnated the woman a stranger or the govt?