"Ukraine will block supplies to Europe if no deal is reached"

[justone]

Might I respectfully suggest that those who have posted on this thread go to this other thread and read my piece.

"Europe baffled by broken gas promises"

I have attempted to explain what is actually happening, I have tried to explain some of the Technical reasons given for the ceasation of pumping by the Ukrainians.

What no one of those who post has actually managed to reason out for themselves is that in order to PUMP Gas through any pipeline you need Compressors, these Compressors are powered by Gas.

''to PUMP Gas through any pipeline you need Compressors, these Compressors are powered by Gas'' - and how it contradicts any reasoning of any post in any way or measure?

Looked through your posts on this and other tread, found no reasoning in any, less explanations, less technical but a lot of ignorance and willingful ignorance.

For those who are interested I am reposting the view of the both sides.
Russia:
Gazprom
If you can find - Ukraine:
Naftogaz of Ukraine

Each side has its own interests. Everyone thinks that Russia wants to hold by the throat and/or piss off the West. One puts himself in Russia shows - this is what I would do if I was Russia. Thus the shallowness of little narrow minds have been demonstrated.

Russia is interested to sell gas and be paid. It is vital for its economy.

EU is interested to get gas and pay the Russian negotiated price. It is vital for its well being and economy.

Uknraine doesn't have money to pay off the debt for gas or to buy gas, it does not even know what buy/sell means it knows steal/cheat.

 

[jujuman13]

Justone I agree partly with your reasoning.
Russia wants to sell Gas, Ukraine cannot or will not pay price demanded.
My point was that in order to pump gas down pipeline, gas is required.
Under previous contract that Ukraine had with Russia that gas was provided.
However Russia has long claimed that Ukraine stole that gas.
When in fact the possibility exists that what Ukraine was actually doing was in line with original contract and using gas for compressors.
Ukraine very likely was late in paying it's bills to Russia for gas received by Ukraine, possibly their contract allowed for fine for late payment.
I nor you know for certain as contract likely confidential.
What I do know about Russia and Russians is that after signing any contract with Russian company, the Russians always feel they could have struck a better bargain for themselves and once contract is under way they seek to delay work by finding whatever they can so as to go to contractors and demand extras.
I have worked in Russia and negotiated contracts with Russian Company's.
It did take me a little while to understand their somewhat convoluted way of reasoning.

 

[justone]

What I do know about Russia and Russians is that after signing any contract with Russian company, the Russians always feel

You know what Russians ALWAYS FEEL? Commoooon.

they could have struck a better bargain for themselves and once contract is under way they seek to delay work by finding whatever they can so as to go to contractors and demand extras. I have worked in Russia and negotiated contracts with Russian Company's. It did take me a little while to understand their somewhat convoluted way of reasoning.

I have known a bunch of the contractors in the US who do the same in this or other way. You have to point to indicators which can prove to us that this is the case ESPECIALY if what Russia has on hand is their partner Ukraine which is ‘’very likely was late in paying it's bills to Russia for gas received by Ukraine, possibly their contract allowed for fine for late payment’’ – and has not paid the amount and has been starving for gas.

The ways contractors negotiate contracts may be not as straight as many can imagine, it does not mean that this has led to the situation, - which also has been mediated – upon Russian requests - by the EU.

When in fact the possibility exists that what Ukraine was actually doing was in line with original contract and using gas for compressors.

In fact the possibility exists that there are pink elephants somewhere in the endless universe.
The world is so primitive for you – There are some variables in the equation, you have to show that Russians were SO stupid that they confused the numbers and attributed the constant volume of gas required to the compressors to the volume of the gas stolen, and did it with a straight face and Ukraine was so stupid not to point to it. For sure the formula may have even more constants, - as well there are other ways of accounting and reconciliation, but unless there is indication that they have been tweaked by Russia it is senseless to try to fantasize and chase them.


You have been constantly ignoring any information valuable for analyses that can be found on the arguing sites, as well as statements of involved mediators, but you are fantasizing things that fit your FEELINGS.

Gazprom

Naftogaz of Ukraine