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12/20/18
Ukraine will send warships back to its Azov Sea ports again, a security official said on Wednesday, despite Russia's seizure of three navy vessels and their crew in the area last month. The dispute deepened when Moscow last month seized two small Ukrainian gunboats and one tugboat — with a combined crew of 24 — off Crimea, accusing them of illegally entering Russian waters as they headed from the Black Sea via the Kerch Strait. The United States and European Union have demanded the sailors' release, and President Donald Trump canceled talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in protest. "Russia's aggression will not stop our plans to create a naval group in the Sea of Azov," Oleksandr Turchynov, secretary of the Ukrainian government's national security and defense council, said in an interview with the local BBC branch. "If we stop and retreat, Russia will actually fulfil its task of capturing the Sea of Azov, present the world with self-determined new sea borders in the Black Sea, de facto legalizing the occupation of Crimea," BBC News Ukraine quoted him as saying. Turchynov said Kiev would invite representatives of the transatlantic military alliance NATO and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) on board next time to prove Ukraine was not violating any regulations. He did not say when ships might next attempt to pass, although he added it should not be long. Responding to the comments, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Ukraine's intention to send warships back through the Kerch Strait was a "provocation."
So you are basically saying that Russia would attack Ukrainian vessels even if OSCE and/or NATO reps were aboard and Russia knew this!I very much doubt that OSCE or NATO reps would play ball with Ukraine and sail on those ships to legitimise what would obviously be a deliberate provocation.
So RV's excitement may be badly mis-placed.
Russia will defend its territorial waters within the 10nm zone, irrespective of who is sailing on Kiev's armada.
So you are basically saying that Russia would attack Ukrainian vessels even if OSCE and/or NATO reps were aboard and Russia knew this!
Thanks for clarifying.
The Sea of Azov is not exclusively Russian territory, nor are the Straits of Kerch.If they violated "Russian" territory why would they not? It is common practice to seize vessels that are violating a countries territory.
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/ukraine-to-send-warships-back-to-azov-despite-russian-capture-63913"]Ukraine Vows to Send Warships Back to Azov Despite Russian Capture
Ukraine patrol craft in Odessa harbor.
Will Moscow kidnap NATO and OSCE monitors on a Ukrainian vessel sailing the international waters of the Black Sea or in the jointly managed Sea of Azov? Stay tuned.
Related: Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on cooperation in the use of the Sea of Azov and the Strait of Kerch
So you are basically saying that Russia would attack Ukrainian vessels even if OSCE and/or NATO reps were aboard and Russia knew this!
Thanks for clarifying.
nice deflection from that fact that you have confirmed Russia's readiness to attack Ukrainian vessels, even if NATO and/or OSCE representatives were aboard.You know very well that neither NATO nor OSCE are going to .....................~
The area is complicated and disputed, but Russia does have undisputed territorial waters which even Bellingcat admitted Kiev violated last month.
nice deflection from that fact that you have confirmed Russia's readiness to attack Ukrainian vessels, even if NATO and/or OSCE representatives were aboard.
I didn't ask you if they would be.:roll:
YOU, of all people, invoking international law here is truly a joke.Yes, because OSCE and NATO representatives do not obviate the principles of territorial waters under international law...................~
YOU, of all people, invoking international law here is truly a joke.
When you want to start a religion, you need more followers. That would still not make you the holder of any truth but it would help.Russia truly believes, looking at the egregious violations of international law committed by the US over the last 25 years, that it is the guardian of what is left of the world order......................~
When you want to start a religion, you need more followers. That would still not make you the holder of any truth but it would help.
Got a list?Russia's allies .....................~
The Black Sea is owned by no one.
The Sea of Azov and Strait of Kerch are mutually Ukraine and Russia waters via bilateral treaty (2003).
Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on cooperation in the use of the Sea of Azov and the Strait of Kerch
Got a list?
I would think that they should have thought about that and got Crimea and Donbass and Lugansk on board the coup d'etat before acting precipitiously and gummin' up the worrks, eh? Bluster and bullcrap by Ukraine will have about the same effect as your bluster and bullcrap on this forum. The recent provocation moved Poroshenko up in the polls from 5th to 2nd. If he could drop a few bombs, he might be able to move to first, but bombs bring blowback and the dead bodies don't win elections.
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Conceivably the major religion in the world.:lamoI do....
Belarus
Armenia
Kazakhstan
North Korea
South Africa
Cuba
Syria
Venezuela
Bolivia
Iran
Myanmar
Nicaragua
Serbia
Uzbekistan
Sudan
Zimbabwe
Quite impressive no?
Conceivably the major religion in the world.:lamo
I would say that, given the pressure exerted by the US on weak states to support its Ukro-nazi sponsored resolution, the 90 states which resisted tells us quite a lot.
Remember, the US doesn't have allies, it just has states which can't say 'no' to it.
You herald from some of the most sycophantic vassal states in the world.
That was not true till just recently, as the rest of the world has had a front row seat to how badly America has rotted out.....up till 9/11 at least we had allies.
Yes, that's a fair comment.
I think the abysmal foreign policy conduct of the last 20 years have turned most of the world (excepting the Old World) against the US. But even Europe is now a reluctant slave, apart from London.
Sounds to me (to stay with the religion analogy) as though you're taking the JW road of declaring your belief to be the only relevant, no matter how pitiful in number and quality your followers.I would say that, given the pressure exerted by the US on weak states to support its Ukro-nazi sponsored resolution, the 90 states which resisted tells us quite a lot.
Remember, the US doesn't have allies, it just has states which can't say 'no' to it.
You herald from some of the most sycophantic vassal states in the world.
Sounds to me (to stay with the religion analogy) as though you're taking the JW road of declaring your belief to be the only relevant, no matter how pitiful in number and quality your followers.
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