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Ukraine uncovers American corruption

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I just now found this specialized thread and think maybe I posted the same thing on a general politics thread by mistake. I'm not sure what is proper. This subject includes Ukraine and American politicians in interrelated issues. At any rate, Ukraine has evidence of American corruption that needs to be investigated. Here is the source I posted on the other thread:

Ukrainian to US prosecutors: Why don't you want our evidence on Democrats? | TheHill
 

Ukraine is corrupt on the scale of Africa, and for so long the citizens have refused to demand better...

**** Em!
 

This whole issue strikes fear in the hearts of the Dem Elites and they have gone to great lengths to minimize this...and they'll continue to do so. For example...

1. They've unjustly smeared JOHN SOLOMON.

2. They've unjustly smeared anyone else who has paid attention to this issue or who has looked for more information about it.

3. They and their Trump hating media buddies have either ignored this issue or dismissed this issue without any consideration of evidence.

4. They have lied in Congressional hearing testimony about this issue.

5. There are many more instances of resistence to this issue by the Dem Elites...and the latest is this nonsense from a indicted man who has concocted a mass of lies against people who have attempted to find out more about this Obama administration corruption.

Don't expect this ferociousness from the Dems to end. If justice were served, many heads would roll and those Dem Elites do NOT want that to happen.
 

Your article is from April, 2019.

After he penned this nonsense, John Solomon was fired from The Hill. He was then hired by FOX.

Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko later retracted everything he told Solomon.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ukraine is corrupt on the scale of Africa, and for so long the citizens have refused to demand better...

**** Em!
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Not everyone in Ukraine is corrupt, but the crooks Hunter Biden is working for are and the prosecutors investigating them are not. Prosecutors investigating criminal activity are not the criminals the criminals being investigated investigated say they are.
 

Crooks involved in mob corruption call the investigators criminals, but the crooks are lying. Joe Biden was not trying to get criminal investigations into Burisma intensified when he got Shokin fired. He was trying to get investigations into the corrupt business his son was working for stopped, which was what happened. If Biden had been telling the truth instead of lying to protect his son he would have demanded Ukraine replace Shokin with a more aggressive prosecutor, but he did not make such a demand and a more aggressive prosecutor was not named. The investigation into Burisma was essentially scuttled when Biden had Shokin fired for supposedly not being aggressive enough in his investigation of Burisma. Biden never went back to President Poroshenko to demand he get the investigation moving against Burisma after Biden essentially got the investigation halted with the Shokin firing.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in loose American cash is what the crooks in Ukraine were working with when Shokin was fired, and the Bidens were right in the middle of the corruption. That is what Joe Biden was was trying to keep from being interrupted and investigated by having Shokin fired.
 

Ukraine is one of the most extensively corrupt nations on the globe, certainly one of the most in Europe or Asia, whether everyone is corrupt or not is irrelevant.
 
Several billions of dollars including 1.4 billion dollars given to the energy company Burisma, disappeared under the watchful eyes of Joe Biden. Burisma hired several politicians kids, including a coke addict stripper hound that was being kicked out of the Navy BECAUSE of his cocaine use. None of them had ANY qualifications form the 'jobs' they were given, nor did they do anything to earn the millions of dollars they were given.



But the left doesnt want to investigate the corruption of previous administrations.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Your article is from April, 2019.

After he penned this nonsense, John Solomon was fired from The Hill. He was then hired by FOX.

Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko later retracted everything he told Solomon.
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Lutsenko did not retract everything in the report because not everything ion the report was from his testimony alone. Lutsenko is not one of the Ukrainians who testified under oath that he helped American democrats in 2016 in an effort to smear Trump on Hillary's behalf. Furthermore, these allegations have factual details which lend support to the truthfulness of their claims. Of course democrats will say there was no corrupt activity between democrats and Ukrainians. What would you expect?

We can start by having American investigators look into how the black ledger surfaced, where it came from and for what reason. Ukrainians claim the black ledger was a scam. We need to find out whether that is true or not, for Trump's sake if for nobody else's.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ukraine is one of the most extensively corrupt nations on the globe, certainly one of the most in Europe or Asia, whether everyone is corrupt or not is irrelevant.
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Claiming prosecutors in Ukraine who are investigating American democrat corruption in Ukraine are corrupt because Ukraine is corrupt is stupid. Americans supported intensive investigations into Trump/Russion collusion rumors even though those rumors turned out to be false. Americans now want rumors of democrat/Ukraine corruption investigated. If Ukrainian prosecutors cannot be trusted, according to defensive democrat narratives, then let Trump send in a team of private investigators to get to the truth wherever it lies.
 

I am claiming that Ukraine is extremely corrupt because it is.

Anyone who is not in possession of such a basic and easily obtained fact is a Moron.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am claiming that Ukraine is extremely corrupt because it is.

Anyone who is not in possession of such a basic and easily obtained fact is a Moron.
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Politicians in Ukraine are corrupt? All of them? That cannot be assumed or proven. Politicians in the democrat party are corrupt? All of them? That cannot be assumed or proven. In spite of various suspicions American investigators need to track down more than $1 billion in US tax dollar aid which is rumored to have fallen into corrupt hands. In fact, if Ukraine is mostly corrupt we should assume the money has fallen into no Ukrainian hands which are not corrupt. Hunter Biden worked for one of the most corrupt oil company owners in Ukraine so we do need to find out how American tax money was spent there, whether Hunter was corrupt or not.
 
Ukraine and Belarus are the 2 most important for world order counters

in 1919, Mackinder summarised his theory thus:

"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island commands the world."
(Mackinder, Democratic Ideals and Reality, p. 150)
The Geographical Pivot of History - Wikipedia
 
marke said:
Lutsenko did not retract everything.....
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Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin | New York Times

The Invention of the Conspiracy Theory on Biden and Ukraine | The New Yorker

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

Azarov, Shokin, Lutsenko: A trio that only certain foreign journalists find credible | Kyiv Post

Giuliani's case rests on two Ukrainians with checkered pasts and suspect motives

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

Former Ukraine prosecutor says he saw no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden

Lutsenko: Ukraine has no reason to probe Bidens

Joe Biden and son Hunter cleared of wrongdoing by Ukraine prosecutor

Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’

As for all your other Trump/Giuliani conspiracy claptrap, the Conspiracy Forum is that way ------------------------>>
 

Timeline:

April 2014: Britain seizes Burisma owner's assets.
April 2014: Hunter Biden and John Kerry's son join Burisma.
May 2014: Kerry and Biden urge Congress to send hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukrainian gas companies.
December 2015: Prosecutor Shokin seizes Burisma assets. Burisma challenges the seizure in court and wins. World nations complain that Ukraine is soft on corruption, as evidenced by the Burisma case.
February 2016: Shokin has the court order for the seizure reinstated. Hunter Biden called his dad and John Kerry. Joe Biden calls Ukrainian President Poroshenko and persuades him to fire Shokin. They blkame the dismissal on Shokin, falsely claiming he was corrupt and not being effective enough in pursuing corruption charges against Burisma.
May 2016: Obama appoints Yovanovitch to oversee operations in Ukraine. Yovanovitch gives Ukrainian Prosecutor Lutsenko a list of Americans he was not to investigate.
Early 2019: Guiliani uncovers the fact that Yovanovitch is obstructing FBI and Ukrainian investigations into American corruption in Ukraine.
May 2019: Trump fires Yovanovitch.
 

John Solomon......:screwy
 
JasperL said:
John Solomon......:screwy
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Forget John Solomon. Find a reporter who can uncover facts which could inform Americans where $1 billion of US aid money went which was sent to Ukraine at the urging of democrat politicians who had family members and close associates responsible for distributing the money there.
 
Mycroft said:
This whole issue strikes fear in the hearts of the Dem Elites and they have gone to great lengths to minimize this...and they'll continue to do so. For example...

1. They've unjustly smeared JOHN SOLOMON.
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How so? That hack got first demoted at the Hill to their editorial page, then fired, and he's now self publishing his garbage on his own website, where conveniently it's not subject to any fact checks. What I'd like to know is who is paying him now. That propaganda doesn't come for free, that much is for sure.


Take it up with AG Barr. The Democrats didn't appoint him or the U.S. Attorneys. Trump did that. If Trump appointees are in the bag for Democrats, sounds like a problem at the top, Trump, who is too stupid and incompetent to hire competent people under him. Boo hoo.
 

Far more detailed than the "no citation" crap you are peddling above :roll:

A Complete Timeline of the Ukraine Side of Trump’s Impeachment
 

I post citations and facts.

You post debunked Trump/Giuliani conspiracy nonsense.
 
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