"We must attack Iran to make the world safe." Yada, yada, yada <making chicken choking hand movement>.
He hasn't done anything and you're already attacking him? WTF.
And shouldn't you be worried about the possibility that there could be another drawn out war costing billions and putting the whole region into chaos? Can America not get involved if Israel decides to go forward with this plan? What are the benefits and fallouts for America? Can Americans bear the costs again? What do you think is best for America?
Discuss the issue, a very important one, instead of making everything into partisan crap before it even happens.
You were referring to the OP in the post I quoted. I was referring to the OP as well.
And I am always focused. You just didn't happen to like what I was focused on.
Right.
If a Democrat does something, it's always for political glory.
If a Republican does the same thing, it's always for the greater good of our nation.
Please be more partisan. I would like to see if it's possible.
Incorrect.
Follow the chain.
From samsmart responding to OP:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-amid-fresh-nuclear-fears.html#post1059926170
From me responding to samsmart:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mid-fresh-nuclear-fears-2.html#post1059926245
From samsmart responding to me:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mid-fresh-nuclear-fears-2.html#post1059926268
From me responding to samsmart:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mid-fresh-nuclear-fears-2.html#post1059926293
You jumping in...responding to me:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mid-fresh-nuclear-fears-2.html#post1059926330
Please try to keep up, eh?
Ummm...
Partisan against Obama...you bet.
Partisan against Democrats...some.
Partisan against Republicans...some.
But I don't go around trying to raise partisanship where it's not warranted. Neither toomuchtime_ nor the linked article referenced Republicans or Democrats...only Obama.
I'm keeping up just fine, but you seem to be a bit befuddled. Please note the bolded part of your post below, which I originally quoted, where you refer to the OP and the OP's sources. My rebuttal was directed at that part of your post. Ergo, my rebuttal was directed at the OP and your defense of him. Have a nice evening.
The thing is. Iran probably realy is a threat to the human race. When we knock them back to the stone age, confiscate their wealth and use that to rebuild instead of our tax money.
I mean this is more when than if. Iran keeps smacking the dog on the nose, no one should be surprised when it bites.
That being said. I oppose the wars we are still in unnecessarily.
Where would the world be without Americans and our superiority complex? I mean - really!
Right.
If a Democrat does something, it's always for political glory.
If a Republican does the same thing, it's always for the greater good of our nation.
Please be more partisan. I would like to see if it's possible.
Iran is the only missing link at this point in the construction of the middle eastern oil pipeline, courtesy of NATO (but mainly the U.S.)
It will be attacked soon but likely at grave cost.
Hmmmm.....how the hell did that happen....oh wait.
The thing is. Iran probably realy is a threat to the human race. When we knock them back to the stone age, confiscate their wealth and use that to rebuild instead of our tax money.
I mean this is more when than if. Iran keeps smacking the dog on the nose, no one should be surprised when it bites.
That being said. I oppose the wars we are still in unnecessarily.
Can Iran hit the US with it's "nukes" (50 States proper)?
MissileThreat :: Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) WeaponsLet us say the freighter ship launches a nuclear-armed Shahab-3 missile off the coast of the U.S. and the missile explodes 300 miles over Chicago. The nuclear detonation in space creates an electromagnetic pulse (EMP).
Gamma rays from the explosion, through the Compton Effect, generate three classes of disruptive electromagnetic pulses, which permanently destroy consumer electronics, the electronics in some automobiles and, most importantly, the hundreds of large transformers that distribute power throughout the U.S. All of our lights, refrigerators, water-pumping stations, TVs and radios stop running. We have no communication and no ability to provide food and water to 300 million Americans.
This is what is referred to as an EMP attack, and such an attack would effectively throw America back technologically into the early 19th century. It would require the Iranians to be able to produce a warhead as sophisticated as we expect the Russians or the Chinese to possess. But that is certainly attainable. Common sense would suggest that, absent food and water, the number of people who could die of deprivation and as a result of social breakdown might run well into the millions.
Let us be clear. A successful EMP attack on the U.S. would have a dramatic effect on the country, to say the least. Even one that only affected part of the country would cripple the economy for years. Dropping nuclear weapons on or retaliating against whoever caused the attack would not help. And an EMP attack is not far-fetched.
Twice in the last eight years, in the Caspian Sea, the Iranians have tested their ability to launch ballistic missiles in a way to set off an EMP. The congressionally mandated EMP Commission, with some of America's finest scientists, has released its findings and issued two separate reports, the most recent in April, describing the devastating effects of such an attack on the U.S.
The answer is "no", Iran can't hit all 50 states, but it could easily devastate the mainland. It is an established fact that Iran has contemplated an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attack on the U.S. and have practiced launching missiles from ships. All they would have to do is place a medium, or even a short range missile on a freighter and launch a missile to a height of around 125 miles over the center of the U.S. Everything that uses electricity, which is everything we use, would be useless. No electricity for lights or heat. Cars and trucks that weren't sheltered wouldn't work. No food would get delivered. No gas would get delivered for any vehicles that managed to survive the attack. And of course no computers, gps, or other electronic items would work any more. An EMP attack is the biggest threat to the U.S.
MissileThreat :: Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Weapons
Iran could cripple the U.S. if they obtain a nuclear weapon.
Ever look at a map of the ME?
They would have to take a vessel close to America to launch something over the middle of America. I think a lot of this is just fear mongering and story telling.
Maps of the ME overextend our army?
You are correct. But........a commercial freighter could easily get within easy range of the U.S. coastline. Even if they stayed outside the 200 mile U.S. limit, they have missiles that could easily launch over the continental U.S.
But you feel free to ignore the warnings by the Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United State to Congress.
the last thing we should be spending money on is another war in the middle east.
if you want to strike a real blow against Iran, spend the money to develop a transportation fuel / strategy that allows us to supply our own energy.
oil is what funds these regimes.
Look at a map of the ME and you'll see that the only way to get to Iran is through and Iraq and/or Afghanistan. The crux of some posts, is that we could take on Iran, had we just not invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
That;s right, we need to open up offshore drilling on all our coasts. Some of the largest reserves of natural gas in the world are just a few miles offshore.
We can make up a near infinite number of scenarios, how likely is this?
Does the capability currently exist?
Is there any indication that they really want to try to implement this?
What is the success probability if so?
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