U. S. was founded on Christian Principles

[Whip Comes Down]

the United States' highest court often refers to writings by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence to better understand how they should interpret the Constitution.

Show us some evidence that the lawmakers made the Constitution with the belief that it should to be interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

Why is this? Well, young lad, this is because our Founding Father's previous work is one and the same with the Constitution. You cannot look at the later Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers, the Anti Federalist Papers and previous The Rights of Man, Common Sense... Then conclude the Constitution is a different article all together.

As I said before, this is not my opinion. My opinion is my interpretation certainly, of the Constitution, but you cannot say that the Constitution's foundations are some sort of organic, American, intellectual creation.

Explain how that established a union between the U. S. Government and religion.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

The ideas Locke developed were derivative also (as are all ideas, including Roman ones), but Locke's notions about liberty (which we see practically plagiarised in the Declaration) and his notions about political power being vested in the people (who are all equal, not separated into plebians and patricians) went something beyond the Roman. The fact that he wrote about them just decades before US independence and his ideas were current in the scheme of things at the time also bears some weight. The Roman Republic came to a despotic end, as I recall, and no democrat would want its mistakes repeated.

Explain how that established a union between the U. S. Government and religion.

 

[Rassales]

Explain how that established a union between the U. S. Government and religion.

Sorry friend, you're talking to the wrong person. I've never made such a claim.

 

[Groucho]

That's another bogus quote.

Indeed, it has also been attributed to George Washington, who also never said it.

 

[Areopagitican]

Explain how that established a union between the U. S. Government and religion.

A "union?" Please, spare me from your strawmen.

Show us some evidence that the lawmakers made the Constitution with the belief that it should to be interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence.

I don't even understand what you're asking for.

"Lawmakers made the Constitution," ... "interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers..."

They are the same group of people. :2wave:

 

[CriticalThought]

What, the existence of a Congress? The Constitution's text is largely a blue print, with no idealogical "wording," which would give it away to one moral foundation or another.

Thankfully, reality has long ago afforded this problem a solution. Embodied in the Supreme Court, the United States' highest court often refers to writings by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence; to better understand how they should interpret the Constitution.

Why is this? Well, young lad, this is because our Founding Father's previous work is one and the same with the Constitution. You cannot look at the later Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers, the Anti Federalist Papers and previous The Rights of Man, Common Sense... Then conclude the Constitution is a different article all together.

As I said before, this is not my opinion. My opinion is my interpretation certainly, of the Constitution, but you cannot say that the Constitution's foundations are some sort of organic, American, intellectual creation.

Congress and even the concept of a bicameral legislature can be traced back to Rome. Your whole, "This is not my opinion, this is fact" bull demonstrates little more than a lack of critical thinking. You accepted someone else's opinion as fact and now you can't justify it with evidence so you are trying to pass it off as self evident. It's pretty weak stuff.

Do you know who else tries to pass beliefs off without evidence to back them up? Fundamental theists. Frankly, as far as I can see, you have made a religion out of this nonsense and I'm not buying into your little cult.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

A "union?" Please, spare me from your strawmen.




I don't even understand what you're asking for.

"Lawmakers made the Constitution," ... "interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers..."

They are the same group of people. :2wave:

I know. Show us any evidence you know of that indicates the lawmakers meant for us to ignore the well established method of interpreting constitutions that existed in 1788 and use the writings of the founders instead.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

A "union?" Please, spare me from your strawmen.




I don't even understand what you're asking for.

"Lawmakers made the Constitution," ... "interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers..."

They are the same group of people. :2wave:

I thought you believed that government religious proclamations didn't violate the Constitution.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

In god we trust enough of a clue

Which God does Congress want us to trust?

 

[Whip Comes Down]

Which was not put on money until 1864.

Did you know God killed President Lincoln for signing the evil legislation that put In God We Trust on one of the nation's coins?

 

[Rassales]

Which was not put on money until 1864.

And was not put on ALL the money until much later (not until the 1960's for some currency) and was not use continuously even after it was included in one or another denomination. It was not even contemplated until the Civil War.

https://www.treasury.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

 

[Whip Comes Down]

And was not put on ALL the money until much later (not until the 1960's for some currency) and was not use continuously even after it was included in one or another denomination. It was not even contemplated until the Civil War.

https://www.treasury.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

Teddy Roosevelt removed it. Congress put it back.

 

[misterman]

Teddy Roosevelt removed it. Congress put it back.

And God killed McKinley so Teddy could become President!

 

[Whip Comes Down]

And God killed McKinley so Teddy could become President!

Yep. That was because McKinley failed to remove In God We Trust.

 

[misterman]

Yep. That was because McKinley failed to remove In God We Trust.

I guess McKinley was wrong on that trusting God thing after all.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

I guess McKinley was wrong on that trusting God thing after all.

One of the arguments advanced by the Christian Nationalist in favor of putting "In God We Trust" on some of the nation's coins was that it "would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed." However, it appears that we were already under Divine protection and God actually withdrew his protection and sent, or at least allowed, an assassin to destroy the President just a month after he signed the evil legislation.

A second argument used by the Counterfeit Christians was that it would "relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism" and end "our national shame in disowning God."

It appears that perhaps the founders really were heathens who disowned God by making our Godless Constitution, at least from the perspective of the Presbyterians and other Counterfeit Christians.

 

[misterman]

One of the arguments advanced by the Christian Nationalist in favor of putting "In God We Trust" on some of the nation's coins was that it "would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed." However, it appears that we were already under Divine protection and God actually withdrew his protection and sent, or at least allowed, an assassin to destroy the President just a month after he signed the evil legislation.

A second argument used by the Counterfeit Christians was that it would "relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism" and end "our national shame in disowning God."

It appears that perhaps the founders really were heathens who disowned God by making our Godless Constitution, at least from the perspective of the Presbyterians and other Counterfeit Christians.

Or perhaps religious nuts are idiots. But don't tell anyone I said that.

 

[Scorpion89]

Show us some evidence that the lawmakers made the Constitution with the belief that it should to be interpreted according to the writings by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence.

Try reading the Federalist Papers then come back and lets have a discussion till then all of your discussion are mute you have no idea what your talking about as usual.

 

[Whip Comes Down]

Try reading the Federalist Papers then come back and lets have a discussion till then all of your discussion are mute you have no idea what your talking about as usual.

The authors of both the Federalist and Anti-Federalist took for granted that the well established common law rules of construction (not the writings of the founding fathers) would be used to interpret the Constitution.

For example, here's an excerpt from one of the Anti-Federalist Papers, authored by the the great Robert Gates.

This article vests the courts with authority to give the constitution a legal construction, or to explain it according to the rules laid down for construing a law. — These rules give a certain degree of latitude of explanation. According to this mode of construction, the courts are to give such meaning to the constitution as comports best with the common, and generally received acceptation of the words in which it is expressed, regarding their ordinary and popular use, rather than their grammatical propriety. Where words are dubious, they will be explained by the context. The end of the clause will be attended to, and the words will be understood, as having a view to it; and the words will not be so understood as to bear no meaning or a very absurd one.

url=http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus11.htm]Anti-Federalist Papers: Brutus #11[/url]​