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i didn't see the over the top behavior you've described. i saw some opinions which were most certainly elicited by the verbiage in the article.
....I think we have to recognize that these are the costs that we as a society pay when we overtax our military and send men/women into mission after mission
where they are taught these types of things and are told by many that it is not torture and that it is an appropriate use of punishment.
I'm afraid that like Vietnam...we will be paying the costs of GWB's wars in many many many ways like this.
and the soldier clearly has mental issues, caused by deployment or not.
i don't see where anyone went over the top. we will be paying the costs of war, as i also asserted.Really? You didn't? Because you responded to one that had just that
Here's a poster direclty stating that THESE, IE this very action, is the COST of overtaxed military. This is a poster completely and wholey making baseless accusations against the military and about this situation claiming that this "Cost" was due to this man being in an overtaxed military.
And here, in the same post that you quoted, is the person making an accusation that the man was taught "these type of things" (Really? He was taught a common tactic is to submerge peoples heads in water repeatedly as a "punishment"?). He even goes on to suggest that its TAUGHT in our military that submerging peoples heads, or even if he misread it like I did that waterboarding, is "appropriate use of punishment" in our military. Not a method of information extraction but punishment. I mean, apparently by this posters accusations, our military is regularly taught that if someone does something bad waterboarding is approrpiate punishment. Baseless, worthless accusations with NOTHING to back it up.
Lets continue.
Again, the person AGAIN makes the claim that the war itself is the cause of this.
This is only one post and its one YOU actually quoted. If you didn't see any over the top behavior its because you have your eyes closed or you're to blinded by your partisanship and your own hatred for the act to view the situation with any ounce of intellectual honesty.
Yes, I agree, he likely does have mental issues. Unlike others though I'm not going to IMMEDIETELY claim its because he was taught waterboarding is normal punishment by our military and that those mental issues are there becuase we "overtaxed" him. But apparently that's not an "over the top" accusation....
i don't see where anyone went over the top. we will be paying the costs of war, as i also asserted.
i also never claimed this happened because the guy was in a war, although it is certainly possible.
you're right, he has no evidence. he's assuming something. but i still don't believe this over the top hyper partisan stuff, because what he puts forward could easily be true.But the person in the very same breath said THIS action by this man was us "paying the cost"
Without ANY evidence of that, at all.
That's not over the top?
You never claimed it, but people in this thread HAVE claimed it. Yet you say you've seen "no over the top" statements.
It is not illegal to waterboard people.
Waterboarding is still an option - Los Angeles Times
So what exactly is your point? That it was done to some kid? Reap what you sow I guess.
So then waterboarding is illegal? Either it is legal to engage in it or it is not.
you're right, he has no evidence. he's assuming something. but i still don't believe this over the top hyper partisan stuff, because what he puts forward could easily be true.
Whether or not waterboarding is legal, using it on a kid definitely is.
except there are no stats to support water causing a person to torture their daughter, nor are there stats to support anything you mentioned. there are, however, statistics to support PTSD, which could certainly be a cause of the behavior.I heard this guy was male. Obviously THIS is what we get for having males in society where they are so overtaxed by the burdens of their maleness. We will be paying for having males around for years to come with things like this.
Wait...he had a daughter, that would mean....
I heard this guy had sex with a women. Obvious THIS is what happen when we have females in our society causing mens labidos to be so overtaxed. We will be paying for the femine wiles of women for years to come with things like this.
Wait...he's human, so he drinks water. That would mena...
I heard this guy actually drinks H2O. Obviously THIS is what happens when we have humans overtaxing their bodies with excess H20. We will be paying for the horrors of our dihydrogen monoxide dependency for years to come with things like this.
Hey, I don't have any evidence and I'm just making assumptions, but of course its not outrageous of me to claim as fact that those are the causes, I mean its at least possible because hey, he did those things, so naturally they COULD be a cause.
:roll:
you saw my post, and i have no agenda.A significant percentage of the male pouplation drinks, and its shown that a percentage of people that drink can be violent. Why didn't Disney rail against that a possability?
A part of the population, in general, has rage and anger issues. That could've caused it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability?
A part of the population, in general, has mental issues. That could've caused it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability?
A part of the population was abused as children leadin to being poor parents themselves. That could've causd it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability.
And through all those, why didn't Disney state with certainty and definitiveness that those are the reasons?
Why? Because that didn't suit his political agenda and his hyper partisan desire to get on a soap box and use this situation for all its worth to push his bone to pick. But of course, its one you agree with, so naturally you don't see anything "over the top" about it, because apparently to you its completely reasonable and understandable to not assume, but to state as if its fact, that the military, GWB, and our stance on waterboarding caused this man to push his daughters face into a bowl of water.
you saw my post, and i have no agenda.
what we know: the man is an iraq veteran
the man is disturbed enough to torture his daughter
what we DON'T know: details of his childhood
his drinking habits
maybe that's why disney didn't rant agoinst those things.
i guess i've become desensitized because of all the over the top hyper partisanship on this site. seems quite normal, really.And yet the VAST majority of Iraqi Veterans don't torture thier children. Yet you still seem its not "over the top" not to suggest, not to imply, but to directly say as if fact that the MILITARY, GWB's War, and our stance on waterboarding CAUSED this to happen.
Sorry. There's nothing more to discuss here. The fact you don't see that notion as over the top speaks volumes about your partisanship and its obviously through this discussion you're not going to relent on your assertion so there's no where else to take this really.
When strapped to a board, very little.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be much of a story if he hadn't invoked the W word.This is not "waterboarding".
Goes to show you just because you put on a uniform it doesn't automatically make you a "hero" contrary to what you hear. I've always contended calling everyone in the military a heroes cheapens the real meaning of the word that applies to the real military heroes. I've know a few troops I wouldn't trust my dog to. But I still respect 99.999 of the troops as I was one myself once and I commend their sacrifices.
That said, I'm not making excuses for the man, but have to wonder if he was deployed, and if so did it have any effect on him.
Never did.
Yes, yes I am.
You cannot see the difference between harming a little girl and harming a terrorist? That's very disturbing.
Suppose it is...what difference does it make? Are you saying that torture is categorically immoral? What about killing or maiming?
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