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I just don't know what to say about this except WTF????
" Rhode Island police warned the U.S. Navy last month that Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis had reported "hearing voices," raising further questions about how he gained security clearance at the complex where he went on a shooting rampage."
U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices' | Reuters
I just don't know what to say about this except WTF????
" Rhode Island police warned the U.S. Navy last month that Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis had reported "hearing voices," raising further questions about how he gained security clearance at the complex where he went on a shooting rampage."
U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices' | Reuters
A Defense Department Inspector General's report published on Tuesday revealed security lapses that allowed 52 convicted felons to gain access to Navy facilities because budget cuts had undermined vetting.
This probably happened for the same reason this happened (from the article):
I just don't know what to say about this except WTF????
" Rhode Island police warned the U.S. Navy last month that Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis had reported "hearing voices," raising further questions about how he gained security clearance at the complex where he went on a shooting rampage."
U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices' | Reuters
Yeah.
Like I said.
Cue vilification of the mentally ill -- never mind that out understanding of mental illness is as subpar as our mental health system.
If a copper thinks a situation is serious enough to report it to Naval security, the person involved should be put on administrative leave until an investigation re-vets him. Cops don't do this lightly, in my opinion. If he's willing to put it in writing? He means it.
It's the words of a layman being interpreted by another layman. Maybe the recipient of the notification was an idiot, or maybe he was over-worked, or maybe this was a failure in the chain of command, or maybe he tracked down and contacted whomever was treating this man who in turn said the man represented no threat.
We will probably never know what really happened. All I'm certain of is that this will be yet another opportunity for the media to sensationalize mental illness.
Well, I don't think it's sensationalizing mental illness. I think it's shining a very bright light on security clearances and the way people are vetted. If we refuse to learn a damned thing from these instances, they will happen over and over again. You find a loophole? A shortcoming? You fix it. Sure works in MY life.
The thing is, even if he didn't have access don't you think he'd just go somewhere else and do it? I am not saying this is excusable, I just think if it wasn't there it could have been somewhere else.
It sensationalizes mental illness all the freaking time. Why do you think New York has the SAFE act, and why do you think similar laws are popping up in all the wrong committees around the nation? People are afraid of mental illness, because they're constantly told over and over and over that mental illness = homicidal maniac.
The media can't possibly be shining a very bright light on any damn thing because we don't know anything useful yet. When we do, then that'll be a different story. Until then, we're being fed fragments and conjecture and nothing more.
We don't know whether that's true or not. And I think it's a mistaken assumption to make. To say, in essence, "There's nothing we can do to prevent this," is dangerous.
I was operating under the premise that a police officer had reported to the ship yard's security that this man was acting irrational . . . hearing voices . . . thought people were following him. If that's not true, then, of COURSE, you're right. That's a different kettle of fish -- in fact, without that? It's no kettle of fish at all.
I don't think people figure mental illness = homicidal maniac at all. But I do think that someone hearing voices who thinks he's being followed shouldn't be allowed on a secured military installation. *shrug*
There is much that can be done but I don't think taking away someone access is a way to prevent it. He needed help and was ignored. Do you really think if he tried to get in and was denied would say oh well and go home with his guns?
I think you address one issue at a time. The fact that this guy retained his security clearance with the info received from the police is the issue here. If he had been stopped from this crime and went on to a shopping center instead we could try to figure out how that happened but at least a military base with a high level of security would not have been breeched. I honestly can't believe this slipped through the cracks here and heads need to roll. If this guy can do what he did imagine what a terrorist could do. This base is the heart of the navy and this lapse of security is astonishing and an invitation to terrorist.
If a copper thinks a situation is serious enough to report it to Naval security, the person involved should be put on administrative leave until an investigation re-vets him. Cops don't do this lightly, in my opinion. If he's willing to put it in writing? He means it.
Well, seeing as how we're speculating with virtually no information, I'll throw out Occam's Razor: He already had clearance, then the police officer reported him, the report was either not very convincing or was made to a low-level guy or both, it was working its way up the chain and through the proper channels, the shooter beat the system to the punch.
I think you address one issue at a time. The fact that this guy retained his security clearance with the info received from the police is the issue here. If he had been stopped from this crime and went on to a shopping center instead we could try to figure out how that happened but at least a military base with a high level of security would not have been breeched. I honestly can't believe this slipped through the cracks here and heads need to roll. If this guy can do what he did imagine what a terrorist could do. This base is the heart of the navy and this lapse of security is astonishing and an invitation to terrorist.
The guy had a history of irrational behavior and shooting incidents so he never should have gotten security clearance anyway or if he did he should have been on a list that made any new info on him set off alarms. Something is very broken in our security system.
A Defense Department Inspector General's report published on Tuesday revealed security lapses that allowed 52 convicted felons to gain access to Navy facilities because budget cuts had undermined vetting.
I think you address one issue at a time. The fact that this guy retained his security clearance with the info received from the police is the issue here. If he had been stopped from this crime and went on to a shopping center instead we could try to figure out how that happened but at least a military base with a high level of security would not have been breeched. I honestly can't believe this slipped through the cracks here and heads need to roll. If this guy can do what he did imagine what a terrorist could do. This base is the heart of the navy and this lapse of security is astonishing and an invitation to terrorist.
Which leads us back to this:A Defense Department Inspector General's report published on Tuesday revealed security lapses that allowed 52 convicted felons to gain access to Navy facilities because budget cuts had undermined vetting.
I think you address one issue at a time. The fact that this guy retained his security clearance with the info received from the police is the issue here. If he had been stopped from this crime and went on to a shopping center instead we could try to figure out how that happened but at least a military base with a high level of security would not have been breeched. I honestly can't believe this slipped through the cracks here and heads need to roll. If this guy can do what he did imagine what a terrorist could do. This base is the heart of the navy and this lapse of security is astonishing and an invitation to terrorist.
How could there have been such drastic budget cuts that they couldn't vet an employee in such a sensitive area? Certainly they might have looked at cutting in other areas first. This appears to be a rather poor excuse.
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