U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

[anatta]

January 25th -Biden assures no US troops will be in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't even in NATO. yet here we are..300 latest count (per Carlson TV show)

U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

To train National Guard.

www.thedailybeast.com

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly formed National Guard," Hillman added. Funding for the initiative is coming from the congressionally-authorized Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF), which was requested by the Obama administration in the fiscal 2015 budget to help train and equip the armed forces of allies around the globe.

The training mission has been the subject of plenty of discussion among US policy makers for months, and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

 

[Juks]

Interesting, I hadn't heard off it. At the end off the day it is about each country's sovereignty and right to train or cooperated with other countries of their own choosing. The Russian take off " sphere of security" is ridiculous. No one is threatening Russia, no one is planning to invade Russia, not even Putin believes that.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

As far as I'm concerned, thats straight up $19million that should have been "earmarked" for ME.

The way I see it, the US Government now OWES me $19million. My BidenCare™ plan is a small part of that, so we can deduct some for that, but the US Government owes me PLENTY. Plus all that it owes me for all of the money pissed down the tank in Iraq and all of the other phony "wars". I want my share of that. Gimmee.

 

[Big Brother]

If one examines this latest development politically, this smells really bad of deflection to get the american people back behind Failing Joe Biden. It worked for even worse presidents, specifically GW Bush. Plus, the dems know they will get crushed in the midterms and are looking for a new crisis to exploit to maybe mitigate the damage or even allow them to delay the midterms, maybe even put democracy on permanent hold in order to save democracy. They desperately need a new crisis, covid is on the way out and Climate Change won't get it done for them. World War III just might.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

If one examines this latest development politically, this smells really bad of deflection to get the american people back behind Failing Joe Biden. It worked for even worse presidents, specifically GW Bush. Plus, the dems know they will get crushed in the midterms and are looking for a new crisis to exploit to maybe mitigate the damage or even allow them to delay the midterms, maybe even put democracy on permanent hold in order to save democracy. They desperately need a new crisis, covid is on the way out and Climate Change won't get it done for them. World War III just might.

Right. Sounds pretty logical 'n junk Bud. I'm sure you're onto something.

But anywho, quick question: your ID is "tear it all down", and it has both a donkey and an elephant there being crossed out in the pic....but all I have ever seen you "tear down" has been Biden and other Democrats.

I dont think I've ever seen you take a swipe at shitstain donnie trump or any of the other ripe and putrid targets on the other side of the aisle.

Just wondering: what gives fella? TY in advance for the response.

 

[Big Brother]

Right. Sounds pretty logical 'n junk Bud. I'm sure you're onto something.

But anywho, quick question: your ID is "tear it all down", and it has both a donkey and an elephant there being crossed out in the pic....but all I have ever seen you "tear down" has been Biden and other Democrats.

I dont think I've ever seen you take a swipe at shitstain donnie trump or any of the other ripe and putrid targets on the other side of the aisle.

Just wondering: what gives fella? TY in advance for the response.

Triage. Most important now is to tear down the liberal fascists. At the moment they are much more dangerous than the trump fans. My guess is the GOP will recover from Trump Mania and come up with their own "Obama" in 2024. But fear not my good friend, we need to eventually get rid of the GOP as well. We need to get rid of both dominant parties if the swamp is ever to be drained and the government is forced to start working for the people again. We'll see in the midterms how the GOP will move. If they move to the center then they become the least of our worries for the time being.

Edit: I'll give any anti-establishment politician the benefit of the doubt for awhile. I did with Trump, but he didn't deliver. My only thought about Trump is: "You're fired. NEXT!"

 

[Juks]

As far as I'm concerned, thats straight up $19million that should have been "earmarked" for ME.

The way I see it, the US Government now OWES me $19million. My BidenCare™ plan is a small part of that, so we can deduct some for that, but the US Government owes me PLENTY. Plus all that it owes me for all of the money pissed down the tank in Iraq and all of the other phony "wars". I want my share of that. Gimmee.

Well, I agree with you about Iraq and the war in Afghanistan was poorly handled from the start, but, besides that the Ukraine crisis being a very different issue, the thing is that it is the other way around. Without the wars, the US economy would not be as strong today as it is . It might however only have been the rich percentage that, as usually, has benefited. But that is and has been your own choice, so don't complain about it, so far your elections has been fairly free.

The wars has never been held on a homefront so the costs that regularly effects a country at war has been absent. In the meanwhile the US has secured (forced) very beneficial contracts al over the world for natural recourses and for US exports. You already benefited from the Ukraine crisis by new contracts with the EU for Gas deliveries. In recent months, European imports of liquefied natural gas, or LNG, from the U.S reached record levels at around 400 million cubic meters per day.

About 20 percent off the US export (only hardware included, the winnings off Google, Facebook etc., is not shown in these figures) is to the EU. A crisis in Europe would effect the US economy substantially.

 

[Big Brother]

Well, I agree with you about Iraq and the war in Afghanistan was poorly handled from the start, but, besides that the Ukraine crisis being a very different issue, the thing is that it is the other way around. Without the wars, the US economy would not be as strong today as it is . It might however only have been the rich percentage that, as usually, has benefited. But that is and has been your own choice, so don't complain about it, so far your elections has been fairly free.

The wars has never been held on a homefront so the costs that regularly effects a country at war has been absent. In the meanwhile the US has secured (forced) very beneficial contracts al over the world for natural recourses and for US exports. You already benefited from the Ukraine crisis by new contracts with the EU for Gas deliveries. In recent months, European imports of liquefied natural gas, or LNG, from the U.S reached record levels at around 400 million cubic meters per day.

About 20 percent off the US export (only hardware included, the winnings off Google, Facebook etc., is not shown in these figures) is to the EU. A crisis in Europe would effect the US economy substantially.

What the hell are you smoking? The economy is not any better off and is 10 trillion more in debt just because of the ME wars. Just the interest on 30 trillion in debt is debilitating, even before the principal has to be paid off. Those wars may just be the straw that broke the camel's back and causes the USD to collapse, and without the USD as the reserve currency, america is doomed.

 

[bluesmoke]

January 25th -Biden assures no US troops will be in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't even in NATO. yet here we are..300 latest count (per Carlson TV show)

U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

To train National Guard.

www.thedailybeast.com

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly formed National Guard," Hillman added. Funding for the initiative is coming from the congressionally-authorized Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF), which was requested by the Obama administration in the fiscal 2015 budget to help train and equip the armed forces of allies around the globe.

The training mission has been the subject of plenty of discussion among US policy makers for months, and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

Apparently, you believe this is a bad thing the US is doing, right? If so, why is it bad? Did you think Obama should have done more for Ukraine when Putin invaded Crimea or not?

 

[Juks]

What the hell are you smoking? The economy is not any better off and is 10 trillion more in debt just because of the ME wars. Just the interest on 30 trillion in debt is debilitating, even before the principal has to be paid off. Those wars may just be the straw that broke the camel's back and causes the USD to collapse, and without the USD as the reserve currency, america is doomed.

No, your debt is due to political decisions in which you have more expenditure than what you pay taxes for. The very rich indeed hardly pay any taxes at al and yet they get a lot from the contracts forced on other nations, like George Krivo for example:

DynCorp International of Falls Church Virginia, had in 2019 received contracts worth more than $ 7 billion to train the Afghan army. Between 2002 and 2013, 69 percent of the State Department's total disbursements to Afghanistan went to DynCorp, according to a report by the US Congressional authority that controled the flow of money to Afghanistan.

Another is all the examples in the war in Iraq:

In 2003 The United States submitted a motion for a resolution to the UN Security Council lifting all sanctions against Iraq and giving the United States power over the country and its oil. The UN was given a subordinate role, and Secretary-General Kofi Annan is urged to appoint a representative to work with the United States in Baghdad.

Contractors reap $138bn from Iraq war

www.ft.com

U.S. contractors reap the windfalls of post-war reconstruction - ICIJ

More than 70 American companies and individuals - donors to the presidential campaigns of George W. Bush - have won up to $8 billion in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two years.

www.icij.org

U.S. contractors reap the windfalls of post-war reconstruction - ICIJ

More than 70 American companies and individuals - donors to the presidential campaigns of George W. Bush - have won up to $8 billion in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two years.

www.icij.org

Not to mention the weapon industry in the US that has benefited substantially from the warfares

 

[anatta]

Apparently, you believe this is a bad thing the US is doing, right? If so, why is it bad? Did you think Obama should have done more for Ukraine when Putin invaded Crimea or not?

it's the same backdoor way into escalation a war.. "advisors/trainers"is what they always say
back to Vietnam -i remember this same scenario - dont dare call them US forces!
which doesn't necessarily mean we do so escalate here -but that's how it's done
Also our advanced equipment is escalating Ukraine itself into security partner status

as to Ukraine if we hadn't meddled in the Euromaidan to foment revolution over political protests
chances are Putin would never have been forced (like a forced move in chess) to annex Crimea
But that's a long sordid tale,and how we got here..or over there

 

[Jredbaron96]

This has been going on for years now.

 

[Jredbaron96]

January 25th -Biden assures no US troops will be in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't even in NATO. yet here we are..300 latest count (per Carlson TV show)

U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

To train National Guard.

www.thedailybeast.com

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly formed National Guard," Hillman added. Funding for the initiative is coming from the congressionally-authorized Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF), which was requested by the Obama administration in the fiscal 2015 budget to help train and equip the armed forces of allies around the globe.

The training mission has been the subject of plenty of discussion among US policy makers for months, and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

This article is from 2015.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Interesting, I hadn't heard off it. At the end off the day it is about each country's sovereignty and right to train or cooperated with other countries of their own choosing. The Russian take off " sphere of security" is ridiculous. No one is threatening Russia, no one is planning to invade Russia, not even Putin believes that.

idk man, if the soviet union decided to add mexico as one of its client states and sent the military to its borders, i'd call it a threat.

 

[anatta]

This article is from 2015.

good pickup my eves are so bad I didnt even see that. so I have to woinder how much further down the rabbit hole we are now?

 

[Rogue Valley]

January 25th -Biden assures no US troops will be in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't even in NATO. yet here we are..300 latest count (per Carlson TV show)

U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

To train National Guard.

www.thedailybeast.com

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly formed National Guard," Hillman added. Funding for the initiative is coming from the congressionally-authorized Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF), which was requested by the Obama administration in the fiscal 2015 budget to help train and equip the armed forces of allies around the globe.

The training mission has been the subject of plenty of discussion among US policy makers for months, and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

US National Guard units have rotated in and out of Ukraine since 2015. A training unit of about 200 soldiers will stay for about six months and then be replaced. This training occurs at the Yavoriv Combat Traing Center in western Ukraine near the city of Lviv. There are also trainers from Britain and Canada at the CTC. It is a very nice deployment for NG troops and I remember rotations from New York, Washington State, Texas, Illinois, and Tennessee. I remember the troops from Tennessee building a nice modern playground for the kids of the town of Yavoriv. This is in western Ukraine not far from the Polish border. Quite a distance from the ongoing war in eastern Ukraine.

One big plus is that this also allows US forces to obtain information firsthand from many UA soldiers that have fought the Russians in the east. The Ukrainians can describe and explain Russian battle tactics, and how well Russian weapon systems perform in battle. It also allows the US to be appraised of Russian battle weaknesses.

 

[bluesmoke]

idk man, if the soviet union decided to add mexico as one of its client states and sent the military to its borders, i'd call it a threat.

A rather extraneous analogy. Ukraine is in Europe. NATO is a long existing org made up primarily of Euro countries. There is no org in North America analogous to NATO nor one within reasonable imagination of need to Russia.

 

[DarkWizard12]

A rather extraneous analogy. Ukraine is in Europe. NATO is a long existing org made up primarily of Euro countries.

the US leads nato.

There is no org in North America analogous to NATO nor one within reasonable imagination of need to Russia.

well, you see why i don't think russia is a threat then. They're not going to do anything near a borders, they don't have the capacity to. They're a declining state, and a failing state, and invading ukraine would be the biggest blunder for them, not because we would respond, but because Russia has no ability to hold it. Putin is not that dumb. What putin would do, at most, is focus on the eastern part of ukraine, where people there are mostly ethnic russians, and pro russia. And if they'd rather live under russia than ukraine, then who cares?

 

[braindrain]

As far as I'm concerned, thats straight up $19million that should have been "earmarked" for ME.

The way I see it, the US Government now OWES me $19million. My BidenCare™ plan is a small part of that, so we can deduct some for that, but the US Government owes me PLENTY. Plus all that it owes me for all of the money pissed down the tank in Iraq and all of the other phony "wars". I want my share of that. Gimmee.

Too bad for you that no one really cares about the way you see it or how far you concerns go.

And let’s just say I have my doubts the government owes you a dime.

 

[RF667799]

As far as I'm concerned, thats straight up $19million that should have been "earmarked" for ME.

The way I see it, the US Government now OWES me $19million. My BidenCare™ plan is a small part of that, so we can deduct some for that, but the US Government owes me PLENTY. Plus all that it owes me for all of the money pissed down the tank in Iraq and all of the other phony "wars". I want my share of that. Gimmee.

I got your share. You could have had some, but you didn't show up.

 

[fortune]

This article is from 2015.

FINALLY!!!!!!
how disheartening to read all of these responses begging to give ignorance a lighter sentence.

 

[VySky]

The article is from 2015 and updated 2017 lol.... They have brought those troops out already.

 

[Litwin]

January 25th -Biden assures no US troops will be in Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't even in NATO. yet here we are..300 latest count (per Carlson TV show)

U.S. Military Deploying to Ukraine

To train National Guard.

www.thedailybeast.com

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly formed National Guard," Hillman added. Funding for the initiative is coming from the congressionally-authorized Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF), which was requested by the Obama administration in the fiscal 2015 budget to help train and equip the armed forces of allies around the globe.

The training mission has been the subject of plenty of discussion among US policy makers for months, and the United States has already earmarked $19 million to help build the Ukrainian National Guard.

we need bring NATO aviation in Ukraine as soon as possible , Nigeria with snow must know its place on the map !

 

[bluesmoke]

it's the same backdoor way into escalation a war.. "advisors/trainers"is what they always say
back to Vietnam -i remember this same scenario - dont dare call them US forces!
which doesn't necessarily mean we do so escalate here -but that's how it's done
Also our advanced equipment is escalating Ukraine itself into security partner status

as to Ukraine if we hadn't meddled in the Euromaidan to foment revolution over political protests
chances are Putin would never have been forced (like a forced move in chess) to annex Crimea
But that's a long sordid tale,and how we got here..or over there

Then, and I can only guess, you think we should not be involved in this at all, except to have "talks" with Russia, but not send any armament to Ukraine. Or, what do you think we should be doing, or should have done before?

 

[anatta]

Then, and I can only guess, you think we should not be involved in this at all, except to have "talks" with Russia, but not send any armament to Ukraine. Or, what do you think we should be doing, or should have done before?

we should first off accept the fact that Russia has legit security concerns like we and Ukraine and everyone else does
NATO expansion has "encircled" Russia - so quit it and promise not to expand into Ukraine -
intolerable for Putin- just as the Cuban missile crisis was for the USA

Then use that as a bargaining chip. "OK if we will not expand into Ukriane ( which is a poor candidate)
then we want this in return" - and if Putin agrees to negotiations set up something like Minsk (multinational)

If Putin refuses, that just gives us more moral authority to arm Ukraine