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U.S. hits Canada lumber with 34% duties even before tariffs (1 Viewer)

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The cost of building a home in the US is about to go through the roof.

The United States is poised to more than double duties on Canadian softwood lumber to 34.45 per cent, putting more pressure on U.S. materials costs even before President Donald Trump places any new tariffs on the sector.
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Trump claims the US has enough forest to self supply. That's because the idiot has never looked at a North American forest map.

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Forester's Blog: So, How much forest is there in the U.S. and Canada? - forests.org

A recent Twitter post by EcoWatch stated that “A new study has found an alarming loss in forest areas.”
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Allan said:
The cost of building a home in the US is about to go through the roof.
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or USA can produce more lumber

hey - lets do that !
 
The softwood grown in Canada is by far the preferred wood for house framing. So the cost of housing will go upor the quality of the builds will go down.

"Canada’s secret weapon, however, is hiding in plain sight. Tighter growth rings tend to result in quality two-by-four or two-by-six SPF boards for home builders, meaning walls that will stay straight.

Finished lumber is seen at West Fraser Pacific Inland Resources sawmill in Smithers, B.C. on Feb. 4, 2020. Canadian softwood lumber as pictured here features tighter growth rings than lumber from the U.S. South.Jesse Winter/Reuters

“Southern yellow pine has wider growth rings. Therefore, it twists more and it warps and splits more easily,” said Josh Sawatzky, owner of Madera Forest Products Inc., which is based in Acheson, Alta., located 20 kilometres west of Edmonton.


www.theglobeandmail.com

Softwood showdown: Canada touts superior lumber quality as U.S. escalates trade battle

Canadian producers enjoy bragging rights for the superiority of spruce, pine and fir, but they don’t always emphasize that because the softwood markets of Canada and the U.S. are intertwined
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stealthycat said:
or USA can produce more lumber

hey - lets do that !
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Trees take time to grow and besides your softwood is inferior to ours given the warmer temperatures and faster growth rates. Your trees mature in approx 35 years, ours take almost 70 years.

You will just build crappy frames that warp and twist......
 
Callen said:
Trees take time to grow and besides your softwood is inferior to ours given the warmer temperatures and faster growth rates. Your trees mature in approx 35 years, ours take almost 70 years.

You will just build crappy frames that warp and twist......
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yes, that's what we have in the USA LOL

do you believe everything liberal media tells you ?

our lumber is fine - we just exploit cheap Canadian lumber and take your forests vs ours first - and I'm happy to continue it, but we have our own timber too

or here is another idea .... ROCK, BRICK, Alternative building materials ..... all viable options if we can't get that cheap Canadian lumber
 
stealthycat said:
yes, that's what we have in the USA LOL

do you believe everything liberal media tells you ?

our lumber is fine - we just exploit cheap Canadian lumber and take your forests vs ours first - and I'm happy to continue it, but we have our own timber too

or here is another idea .... ROCK, BRICK, Alternative building materials ..... all viable options if we can't get that cheap Canadian lumber
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Still unable to read a map.
 
stealthycat said:
yes, that's what we have in the USA LOL

do you believe everything liberal media tells you ?

our lumber is fine - we just exploit cheap Canadian lumber and take your forests vs ours first - and I'm happy to continue it, but we have our own timber too

or here is another idea .... ROCK, BRICK, Alternative building materials ..... all viable options if we can't get that cheap Canadian lumber
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Do some homework before embarrassing yourself further. Canadian softwood lumber is superior to American softwood lumber for framing. It is a fact.

Last time Trump did this buliders of quality homes continued to buy Canadian softwood and just charged more for the homes.
 
Callen said:
Do some homework before embarrassing yourself further. Canadian softwood lumber is superior to American softwood lumber for framing. It is a fact.

Last time Trump did this buliders of quality homes continued to buy Canadian softwood and just charged more for the homes.
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Wait, since when do MAGA do… homework?
 
stealthycat said:
yes, that's what we have in the USA LOL

do you believe everything liberal media tells you ?

our lumber is fine - we just exploit cheap Canadian lumber and take your forests vs ours first - and I'm happy to continue it, but we have our own timber too

or here is another idea .... ROCK, BRICK, Alternative building materials ..... all viable options if we can't get that cheap Canadian lumber
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Brick and cement block are fine for the exterior shell, but very expensive for finished interiors, not to mention ugly.
 
Callen said:
Do some homework before embarrassing yourself further. Canadian softwood lumber is superior to American softwood lumber for framing. It is a fact.

Last time Trump did this buliders of quality homes continued to buy Canadian softwood and just charged more for the homes.
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and before the USA didn't bring in your older growth Canadian lumber we didn't build houses ?

of course we did - our lumber is fine, although you're right, using up Canadian resources and clear cutting your forests that take 3X longer to grow is a better idea ... but if we can't do it that's fine too
 
911Sparky said:
He seems to think we can grow a forest overnight. I guess we can halt all housing production for the 20 years it will take to grow our own.
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WTF said that ?

have you ever been outside your concrete jungle ?
 
911Sparky said:
Well, I only spent 40 years in the construction industry, does that count?
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possibly

how much forest does the US have private/public ? how much could be harvested ? you know now, from start to harvest pine tree growths are 30 year-ish not 70ish that CAN has

the US timber production HAS went downhill because in part to buying CAN lumber. That doesn't mean we're incapable and the quality of wood is there. We'll be just fine

will CAN be fine losing that $11 billion exported to USA timber ?

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911Sparky said:
Well, I only spent 40 years in the construction industry, does that count?
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Well, then it's obvious you don't know as much about construction as Trump, Trumpco, and Trumpco customers

You spent too much time being brainwashed by your experiences
Trump, Trumpco, and Trumpco customers are coming at this fresh w/o all the baggage of your archaic, preconceived notions about "quality materials"

Trump, Trumpco, and Trumpco customers are better than the experts at everything—just ask them.
 
stealthycat said:
and before the USA didn't bring in your older growth Canadian lumber we didn't build houses ?

of course we did - our lumber is fine, although you're right, using up Canadian resources and clear cutting your forests that take 3X longer to grow is a better idea ... but if we can't do it that's fine too
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Bark beetle infestation has killed more than 85,000 square miles of forests and climate change is exacerbating tree mortality in the West. Take a look at the map in the first post. The trees are dying, the beetles continue to thrive and the wood from dead/fallen trees can't always be used in construction. The central hardwood forests shown on the map are also under climate and invasive species threats.
 
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