Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

Caine · Apr 9, 2012

nonpareil said:
When they all point to the same thing and logic says the alternative explanations are bull****, it's good enough for any openminded reasonable person.

Why does logic say that the alternative explanations are bull****?

Is it because your knowledge on what constitutes a traffic stop is much lower than mine? Should we take advice from "openminded reasonable people" when they don't have a reasonable grasp of the knowledge required to understand a particular topic..... like traffic stops?

Do you care to respond to my list of reasons why the numbers could be the way they are? Or did my explanation go over your head?

nonpareil · Apr 9, 2012

Caine said:
If you had to pull up some crap from that long ago... That took some digging.

Something tells me I am getting under your skin.

Calm down and take a smoke break.... this is just the internets....

If you know what you're doing it's a 2 min search. The truth hurts? You don't get under my skin, I just like to show the hypocrisy.

nonpareil · Apr 9, 2012

Caine said:
And where is that?

Up your ass.

No need to get bitchy.

If telling the truth is bitchy, then bitchy it is, if you can't handle that, too bad for you.

I require proof..... not guessing using your own preconceived notion that "racial profiling is the answer to all statistical data". You have to jump from the statistics to the reason why the statistics show what they show. You have done this without any evidence. I am asking you to explain how you got there without something other than speculation.

So you're down to strawman. No one claimed that "racial profiling is the answer to all statistical data". I have provided the evidence and the logic to back my arguement. Of the two of us, I'm the only who has done that. The speculation is entirely on your part. You have not provided any evidence to show that blacks are more like to break traffic law.

I didn't see that. Probable cause searches are based upon probable cause. Consent searches are based upon asking and receiving of consent. If you have any evidence that this is not the case please present it.

Red herring doesn't work either, what's probable cause? Not being white maybe? So what if consent searches require consent? Doesn't change the fact that whites are searched less often while found with contraband more often.

Okay.... and? Do you know how searching works? The legality of it? It isn't arbitrary...

Really, is that why an innocent black man was arrested while being a passenger, sent to 2 different jails where he was striped search twice?

I didn't make the claim, MaggieD suggested it. You denied it. I asked for evidence. You provided none.

It's in your post, don't be a coward and put in on other posters:

Caine said:
Right Back Atcha...

Do you have proof these black folks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason?
Do you have proof that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws?

Do you expect us to ASSume the "suggestive" evidence the way YOU want us to view it?

Your response to MaggieD:

Caine said:
I think we have a winner!! ^^^

So now you claim to disagree with her?

Being stopped more often, and being "more likely" to break traffic laws are not one in the same. You are attempting to make a link where one cannot be made without a leap of faith. Faith in a preconceived notion that Law enforcement base all of their actions around the race of the individual they are dealing with. Hint: They don't.

Strawman alert again. No one claimed that "Law enforcement base all of their actions around the race of the individual they are dealing with." Evidence has been provided to show that Blacks and Latinos are stopped more often than whites, searched more often than whites, while found to have contraband less often than whites. It's your faith in the police that keeps you thinking they are above racial profiling.

Umm.. About a thousand other possibilities?

Let me ask you this, do you think Officers go around pre-determining the race of the person they stop before stopping the car? I know I don't. I can't. Not at 3am... Everyone is black.... Everyone is a black silhouette.

Lets see... what other possibilities can I toss out there that are just as plausible as your "theory" that it MUST be racial profiling....

Proactive police work is usually encouraged in areas of high crime. Especially high violent crime. Gangs operate via the use of violent crime. Gangs are known to be a very strong factor in minority predominant areas.

Now, with that in mind..... The white cracker up in Beverly Hills with his RRRRRRRolls RRRRRRoyce... Has he the money to ensure his vehicle is in good working order? Check (there goes equipment violations). Has he the money to ensure his vehicle is properly registered, inspected and insurance is up to date? Check (there goes registration/insurance/inspection regulatory stops). Has he the money to make sure he pays his previous tickets for moving violations? Check (There goes any suspensions of his driving record for fail to pay/fail to appear for previous driving offenses).......etc.....etc...... And it doesn't just apply to the rich guy, it applies to the middle class folks as well. Poor people (which is almost synonymous with minorities in the liberal media) and young people (because they are often poor, and lack the responsibility to take proper care of these above mentioned issues)(and because young people like to do stupid **** like burn outs, speeding, erratic driving to impress) are the most likely to be stopped for various traffic violations.

Now, with this in mind.... Lets go back to my Violent Crime area Idea. It is not uncommon for a BOLO (be on look out) for an armed robbery suspect in a gang area to contain the description of a young black male with dreads.... Investigatory Stops are another reason to stop a vehicle that has absolutely nothing to do with traffic laws in particular.

So, as you can see.... this is just a small idea of the various reasons why blacks and hispanics can be stopped more often than whites per the STATISTICAL DATA.

That would be all good if the statistics didn't show that the highest disparity was in a predominently white neighbourhood. Explain that.

You have provided statistics..... then you provided no evidence to how you took those statistics and got to your conclusion.

I have provided the evidence and the logic a few time, but you admited to not being able to see, probably because of the reason of your head being up your ass.

Read above... I just blew a whole in your "conclusion" of Statistics = Racism.

You have done nothing of the sort. All you have done is shown yourself to be a hypocrite, you attemped to use statistic to make conclusions about motives when it suited you, but now that it contradicts what you believe, you want to claim that it can't be used to do so. You acted like a coward by disowning what you wrote and put it on MaggieD. And when you arguements failed, you resorted to fallacies.

Caine · Apr 10, 2012

nonpareil said:
That would be all good if the statistics didn't show that the highest disparity was in a predominently white neighbourhood. Explain that.

That changes nothing about the reasons for traffic stops I mentioned in my post......... that you conveniently ignored.

Black people in predominately white neighborhoods can still have equipment violations, registration violations, insurance/inspection violations, suspensions on their license, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I have provided the evidence and the logic a few time, but you admited to not being able to see, probably because of the reason of your head being up your ass.

I think maybe you need to take a smoke break.

That said.... You have shown statistics, and then you have claimed that the connection between your conclusion (racial profiling) and the statistics is the supreme being of all conclusions with absolutely no evidence on how you connected the two. After repeated requests for you to do so, You have failed.

You have done nothing of the sort. All you have done is shown yourself to be a hypocrite, you attemped to use statistic to make conclusions about motives when it suited you, but now that it contradicts what you believe, you want to claim that it can't be used to do so. You acted like a coward by disowning what you wrote and put it on MaggieD. And when you arguements failed, you resorted to fallacies.

If I wrote it... then quote me where I wrote it. I asked you a question when you flat out denied the possibility brought up by MaggieD without showing any evidence for it.

American · Apr 10, 2012

Ockham said:
Betting she does IS a claim... no one can be that obtusely contradictory on purpose.

Thunder can, didn't you see?

jambalaya · Apr 10, 2012

nonpareil said:
When you use race to profile someone, you are using "racial profiling", understand what those two words together means and read what the thread is about. Nobody said that profiling is limited to race, religion or sex, so keep your strawman to yourself. None of that changes the fact that police use racial profiling which affect blacks and Latinos more than Whites, a fact bear out overwhelmingly by the statistics. Unless you claim that black people act suspiciously more often than white people do, the fact remains that police stop blacks more often than white because they are black and blacks happen to be responsible for most crimes even though most blacks are innocent of those crimes.

Confusing. So you seem to be saying blacks happen to be responsible for most crimes even though the majority of blacks are not. That makes sense because the majority of blacks are not criminals. On the other hand you seem to be arguing that race is a factor but it should be ignored.

OscarB63 · Apr 10, 2012

jambalaya said:
Confusing. So you seem to be saying blacks happen to be responsible for most crimes even though the majority of blacks are not. That makes sense because the majority of blacks are not criminals. On the other hand you seem to be arguing that race is a factor but it should be ignored.

Only a small % of blacks are actually criminals. However, young black males commit a disproprtionately large amount of the crime. Blacks make up 12.6% of the total population but comprise 40% of the prison population. Now there is some merit to the claim that blacks get arrested more and sent to jail more odten than whites who commit the same crime, BUT that can't account for the more than threefold difference in general to prison population. Also, a poor white guy is just as likely to go to jail as a poor black guy. Sure racial profiling exists, but just because you get pulled over because yiu are black, doesn't mean you are going to get arrested if you haven't done anything wrong.

The funniest thing about racial profiling is that BLACK COPS DO IT TOO. Yet nobody squeals racism when a black cop pulls them over for DWB

nonpareil · Apr 10, 2012

jambalaya said:
Confusing. So you seem to be saying blacks happen to be responsible for most crimes even though the majority of blacks are not. That makes sense because the majority of blacks are not criminals. On the other hand you seem to be arguing that race is a factor but it should be ignored.

Where did I say anything should be ignored?

nonpareil · Apr 10, 2012

OscarB63 said:
Only a small % of blacks are actually criminals. However, young black males commit a disproprtionately large amount of the crime. Blacks make up 12.6% of the total population but comprise 40% of the prison population. Now there is some merit to the claim that blacks get arrested more and sent to jail more odten than whites who commit the same crime, BUT that can't account for the more than threefold difference in general to prison population. Also, a poor white guy is just as likely to go to jail as a poor black guy. Sure racial profiling exists, but just because you get pulled over because yiu are black, doesn't mean you are going to get arrested if you haven't done anything wrong.

The funniest thing about racial profiling is that BLACK COPS DO IT TOO. Yet nobody squeals racism when a black cop pulls them over for DWB

I have heard many complaints about black cops being heavy handed on blacks as well. I think of the cops as the same whether black or white, they have a lot of power and discretion to police society, and like any group of people with power, they should be monitored for abuses.

nonpareil · Apr 10, 2012

Caine said:
That changes nothing about the reasons for traffic stops I mentioned in my post......... that you conveniently ignored.

It completely destroy your arguement that they are stopped more frequently in high crime area where they make up a large number of the population.

Black people in predominately white neighborhoods can still have equipment violations, registration violations, insurance/inspection violations, suspensions on their license, etc, etc, etc, etc.

So show us the statistics that they are more likely to have these violations than whites, instead of speculating. Are they up to 12.6 times more likely to have these violations?

I think maybe you need to take a smoke break.

I don't smoke. It's a disgusting habit.

That said.... You have shown statistics, and then you have claimed that the connection between your conclusion (racial profiling) and the statistics is the supreme being of all conclusions with absolutely no evidence on how you connected the two. After repeated requests for you to do so, You have failed.

I have done so many times. Saying I fail won't make it true. I note your hypocrisy again in saying that we can't draw conclusions about motives from the statistics when you have tried to do so yourself when it suited your purpose.

If I wrote it... then quote me where I wrote it. I asked you a question when you flat out denied the possibility brought up by MaggieD without showing any evidence for it.

I have quoted you, and that post was not even in response to my post. My reply to MaggieD contained the statistics. You are just making **** up now.

lunchbox · Apr 11, 2012

ThePlayDrive said:
Exactly. Moreover, how many other celebrities get pulled over and make excuses? How many PEOPLE get pulled over and make excuses? Why start a thread for Tyler Perry? What's so special about him? :lol:

He played the race card. That makes him extra special.

jambalaya · Apr 11, 2012

OscarB63 said:
Only a small % of blacks are actually criminals. However, young black males commit a disproprtionately large amount of the crime. Blacks make up 12.6% of the total population but comprise 40% of the prison population. Now there is some merit to the claim that blacks get arrested more and sent to jail more odten than whites who commit the same crime, BUT that can't account for the more than threefold difference in general to prison population. Also, a poor white guy is just as likely to go to jail as a poor black guy. Sure racial profiling exists, but just because you get pulled over because yiu are black, doesn't mean you are going to get arrested if you haven't done anything wrong.

The funniest thing about racial profiling is that BLACK COPS DO IT TOO. Yet nobody squeals racism when a black cop pulls them over for DWB

Black cops do it too because it is called criminal profiling which is different from racial profiling.

jambalaya · Apr 11, 2012

nonpareil said:
Where did I say anything should be ignored?

That is why I am asking. Your post was not clear to me.

OscarB63 · Apr 11, 2012

True. But racial profiling can be a valid and necessary part of criminal profiling.

OscarB63 · Apr 11, 2012

lunchbox said:
He played the race card. That makes him extra special.

Exactly, which is why I started this thread. A fact that people like hatuey seem ill equipped to understand

ThePlayDrive · Apr 11, 2012

lunchbox said:
He played the race card. That makes him extra special.

The "race card" isn't any more "special" than the "I'm a crying girl, don't give me a ticket" card. Some people are just obsessed with race so they focus on it.

Kreton · Apr 11, 2012

ThePlayDrive said:
The "race card" isn't any more "special" than the "I'm a crying girl, don't give me a ticket" card. Some people are just obsessed with race so they focus on it.

You are right on this one. There are tons of people who play "cards" when they get pulled over.

Caine · Apr 11, 2012

ThePlayDrive said:
The "race card" isn't any more "special" than the "I'm a crying girl, don't give me a ticket" card. Some people are just obsessed with race so they focus on it.

The difference is.....

The crying girl isn't trying to insult the officer out of giving them a ticket..... like seriously? Who the **** thinks that insulting an officer is going to get them ANY leniency in something that they did wrong?

Talk about lack of common ****ing sense.....

This is how people turn what would hvae been a verbal warning into a citation/ticket/summons (pick your noun).

Wake · Apr 11, 2012

So now we see yet another conflated race issue. Will wonders never cease? Where do you think we should begin?

Perry's predicament began when he admittedly made a left turn from a far-right lane -- a trick his security detail taught him, to make sure he wasn't being followed, Perry explained on Facebook.

Two white Atlanta police officers pulled him over, but apparently did not realize they'd just stopped Tyler Perry.

Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook | Reuters

You, Mr. Perry, admitted to making an illegal turn. It doesn't matter what your security detail says. What matters is that you broke the law and that you are not above the laws that affect all of us. They apparently didn't realize they stopped you? Oh. How special you are.

When Perry explained his illegal turn was to make sure no one was tailing him, one officer allegedly asked, "Why do you think someone would be following you?" Perry said in his post.

Before Perry could answer, the second white officer started "banging" on his passenger's side window -- apparently taking issue with the window's tint, Perry told his fans.

There's no wrong with the police asking why Perry thinks he was being followed; as it is, that's no reason to break the law. Regarding the window, there are regulations on exactly how dark they can be. You're no exception.

Imo it's cute how Perry took offense to being badgered, and how he added in his quip about his mother and being treated by the wicked white cops.

But then a second police cruiser pulled up, and a black Atlanta policeman emerged. "He took one look at me and had that 'Oh No' look on his face," Perry recounted.

The black officer spoke "in a hushed tone" to the two white officers, Perry said. "After that, one of the officers stayed near his car while one came back, very apologetic."

Oh, really? You disgust me, black officer, for dishonoring the police force. What, are you afraid of offending a black star, and looking like an Uncle Tom for upholding the law? I don't care about your race, you degenerate. The police shouldn't be intimidate to stop and deal with any person who breaks the law.

Perry was released, but news reports do not indicate whether he was cited for his illegal left turn or tinted windows. Georgia law requires drivers to approach a left turn from "the extreme left-hand lane" of a multi-lane road, Georgia Public Broadcasting reports.

Georgia law also makes it a misdemeanor to tint driver's or passenger's side windows under certain conditions, according to the state's Department of Public Safety.

The Atlanta police department's Office of Professional Standards is looking into Tyler Perry's racial-profiling claims, E! News reports.

I sense weakness, and the stench of hypocrisy. The fear to uphold the law for fear of slighting the ideologically ignorant.

muciti said:
We are getting to the point that white cops can't pull over or arrest black people. Anytime a white person in authority interacts with someone of color it seems they are screaming racism or investigating it or something.

Wiseone said:
Except for all the times they are. I get that you think Taylor Perry is being stupid here, but this isn't a problem of white police being unable to arrest black people don't overreact and say something completely over the top and ridiculous.

"Getting to," not "at."

RadicalModerate said:
Yeah, sounds like your driving is as bad as your movies, P.

STFU and get over it. What, you can't afford a $55 ticket?

Mr. Invisible said:
Wow! Perry's just being a child. You did something illegal. Pay the fine.

How dare you use common sense, folks. :mrgreen: J/k.

OscarB63 said:
I'm Tyler P dammit. How dare the cops pull me over.

Seems to me he was just mad because the cops didn't know who he was and didn't let him go because he is a "celebrity". Spoiled brat who thinks he is more famous than he really is

He needs to accept responsibility for his actions.

He may have thought to use his popularity to get away with it. If so, that is pathetic, imho.

Hatuey said:
.... who cares? Does Oscar make a thread every time Paris Hilton gets pulled over for a DUI?

Why should that matter in the slightest, Hatuey? The focus as you should know isn't on the OP, but the issue itself.

ThePlayDrive said:
Exactly. Moreover, how many other celebrities get pulled over and make excuses? How many PEOPLE get pulled over and make excuses? Why start a thread for Tyler Perry? What's so special about him? :lol:

Why should that matter? By your logic, why make a thread about any star or any person or any event?

Top Cat said:
Oh so you witnessed this? Because we all know racial profiling never happens. Oh wait.

So the truth is you don't know what really happened and you are assuming you do?

And you aren't, Top Cat? If you want, I'd appreciate a lesson from you in civil objectivity.

That aside, we know that Perry broke the law, and that the policement backed off after the black policeman came onto the scene.

You know, TC, perhaps you shouldn't assume that racial-profiling is to blame.

nonpareil · Apr 11, 2012

jambalaya said:
That is why I am asking. Your post was not clear to me.

You were asking? I saw no question mark. Since I never said anything should be ignored, then the answer is: I never said that anything should be ignored.

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