I dont mean you have to respect her-thats not the point at all-my point was you have to defend her. Or are you going to allow a bunch of medieval hayseeds with guns decide that for you?
Exactly.Understand, No one is saying that the government should step in and prevent her from holding these events. No one. That's what it means to have free speech. It means that the government will not forcibly prevent you from speaking.
Have you heard her speak before? She's anti-islamist. Anti terrorist. Pro womens rights. This was a demonstration of freedom of speech, which she's absolutely able to do as a free citizen. Even if you dont like it-if you are a defender of the 1st you have to defend that at least.
Geller is an antagonist, provocateur and trouble maker. She isn't pressing any free speech issue. Hope she got what she was looking for this time.
Sorry, it doesn't end there. Your actions don't magically become morally justified because someone else’s aren't.
Ask yourself this. Would there have been a gathering to draw the prophet if it wasn't highly offensive to Muslims? Obviously not. This isn't someone expressing an opinion. This is someone deliberately antagonizing someone else. Yes, those that retaliate are 100% wrong, but so are worthless people who attended and organized it.
Insulting someone else for the sole purpose of provoking a retaliation that you can demonize isn't defending free speech. It's being human garbage while hiding behind the flag.
sounds to me like you are judging the retaliators on a basis of legality and the insitigators on a basis of morality....
When you support speech you agree with you're not supporting free speech. You're simply supporting an idea you agree with. Though I’m confused as to why you would willingly give your full support to a hate filled bigot.
Understand, No one is saying that the government should step in and prevent her from holding these events. No one. That's what it means to have free speech. It means that the government will not forcibly prevent you from speaking.
But this does not mean that anyone else has to respect her, it does not mean that anyone else has to condone her hatred, and it does not mean that the rest of us are barred from saying that she's culpable.
Sounds like every LGBT rally ever.
I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
Actually it's spot on. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dg...o-be-raped-arrested-for-trying-to-rape-woman/This is childish reasoning.
Someone wearing a short skirt isn't wearing the short skirt to taunt a rapist. They're wearing it she wants to wear it. They aren't comparable.
Insulting someone else for the sole purpose of provoking a retaliation that you can demonize isn't defending free speech. It's being human garbage while hiding behind the flag.
Yes, she was 'deliberately antagonizing' some Muslims but why not? We 'deliberately antagonize' Republicans, Democrats, abortion people and pro-life, Christians and Atheists and so it goes. If you want to remove Muslims from the list of groups who cannot be 'antagonized' you should be prepared for groups to be added to that list some time in the future. Or will your list of those who should not be offended only include Muslims?Sorry, it doesn't end there. Your actions don't magically become morally justified because someone else’s aren't.
Ask yourself this. Would there have been a gathering to draw the prophet if it wasn't highly offensive to Muslims? Obviously not. This isn't someone expressing an opinion. This is someone deliberately antagonizing someone else. Yes, those that retaliate are 100% wrong, but so are worthless people who attended and organized it.
"I've seen no evidence of 'bigoted hate' from US Conservative. Do you have an example?I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
That's it exactly. And no one is going too threaten you, or attempt to murder you, for voicing this opinion.Complete and utter BULL. You don't get to claim to be a defender of free speech until you've defend the rights of someone else to speech you disagree with.
The defenders of free speech are the Islamic clerics who defended her right to be a bigot. Geller is a deliberate antagonist that's justifying her hate under the guise of free speech.
Yes, she has a constitutional right to say what she says. And the rest of us have a constitutional right to say that she's human garbage who's partially responsible for what happened.
Please read that again.
One you are saying no one should prevent her from staging these events, but then you rail at her "hatred" as though you know it's hatred.
How is she "culpable"? How is she to blame [Meriting condemnation, censure or blame, etc] for exercising her right? Is it because YOU disagree with the content?
That's your problem, she's exhibiting her "art" and you don't like the content, like the big row over the painting of two men kissing some years ago.
Free speech is free speech, it's there for everyone, including your friends the terrorists.
I guess in your "liberal" world, free speech is only available to those with a message that is not "culpable"
Well, **** that. In this country everyone can say what they need to say without fear of people showing up with machne guns, and if they do, THEY are the ones in the wrong.
We have come to the point that the same people issuing death threats over ****ing pizza now side with terrorists.
Correct.
Geller did not break any laws. But you don't have to break laws to be a terrible person..
Geez, man!! It was a Muslim cleric saying that if women don't dress properly they deserve to be raped. If you don't take the time to look at the link you shouldn't bother responding to it.Are you seriously arguing that women dress nice to taunt rapists?
Sidenote: This post is a great example of why the GOP isn't going to have a successful presidential candidate for many years.
Rally 1: People gathering to express pride in who they are, and to show the public at large which didn't accept them that they do in fact exist.
Rally 2: People gathering for the sole purpose of performing acts designed to anger another group.
And you can't tell the difference.
I'm not giving muslims any special treatment. I'd condemn any speech geared only towards pissing someone else off.Yes, she was 'deliberately antagonizing' some Muslims but why not? We 'deliberately antagonize' Republicans, Democrats, abortion people and pro-life, Christians and Atheists and so it goes. If you want to remove Muslims from the list of groups who cannot be 'antagonized' you should be prepared for groups to be added to that list some time in the future. Or will your list of those who should not be offended only include Muslims?
What message were they trying to communicate by having an entire conference dedicated to drawing the prophet Mohamed?
Geez, man!! It was a Muslim cleric saying that if women don't dress properly they deserve to be raped. If you don't take the time to look at the link you shouldn't bother responding to it.
I'll not pretend that she's blameless in the shootings.
Exactly.
No one has stifled Ms. Geller's speech.
She's carrying on a private war with Islamic extremists.
(and why anyone would want to go to that level, is beyond me)
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