He ignores the reality that where the rubber meets the road, the radical Muslims have more in common with socialists than Christians in that they both use force to make [people accept ideology and behavior
They could be mutant aliens from Mars...its irrelevant. What he was doing is what people like him ALWAYS do....try to divert and shriek about THE CHRISTIANS!!! THE CHRISTIANS!!! THE CHRISTIANS!!! See post 518 for another example.
Honor killing in Houston? OK...but ...The Christians! 40 dead gay men swinging by their necks from bridges and construction cranes in IRan...but that CHRISTIANS!!! the CHRISTIANS!!! 3200 butchered children left in a field with their heads crushed by rocks, many of whom had been brutally raped while the rest were forced to watch...well...what about the Crusades and THE CHRISTIANS!!! the CHRISTIANS!!!
FLDS...Amish...Mennonite...Baptist...Im sure they all have their quirks. THEY didnt just send avowed jihadi mercenaries to kill people for daring to draw pictures.
"Honor killing" under growing scrutiny in the U.S. - CBS News
A different Jesus however
Theirs is a made up one. Sorry if you didn't know that
This seems to be a fine example of cognitive dissonance, an inability to accept the reality which is the world we live in. I have simply noted that there are those who call themselves Christian who demand that their women dress in an extremely conservative manner - it was not me who brought up conservative dress as another of those items to hold against Islam.
To point out the ways in which RADICAL Christians and Muslims agree on various social issues is not blaming Christianity as a whole, just those who hold the views and who force the women of their group to act and dress in certain ways. Far too many evidently believe that any criticism of their group, small as it may be within a larger society, is an attack upon the entire society even though the majority don't agree with the tenets of the minority.
I doubt it is possible for those living within the rigid confines of the True Believer community but I am NOT shrieking about THE CHRISTIANS!!! THE CHRISTIANS!!! THE CHRISTIANS!!! I am simply pointing at the utter hypocrisy of a tiny segment of those who call themselves Christian.
Just as there are 'Christian' preachers who call for the execution or imprisonment of gays, there are Christian ministers who happily perform wedding ceremonies for gays - Tell us, which is the TRUE Christian? There are Christian preachers flying around in private jets and owning multiple residences while others who call themselves Christian give up all they own and voluntarily live in poverty while helping the downtrodden - Tell us, which is the TRUE Christian?
and my response - which evidently some fail to comprehend - It is actually about TWO specific radical Islamic idiots who thought they were carrying out jihad.
Apparently, Pam Geller is not alone in her closeted world of Islamophobia in which all Muslims are to be blamed for the actions of a minority. When I and others try to point out the fallacy of such a demented world view by noting there are a few who call themselves Christians who are just as insane - the only defence is to claim we are attacking ALL Christians.
from CNN
That is a load of hot, smoking bovine feces. I honestly do not understand why anyone here is defending either side. Two groups of bat **** crazy religious freaks up each other's hatred ante and some of you people are picking sides. Both sides were wrong and are wrong. Actions based in pure hatred should garner no sympathy or support from anyone.
This isnt about 2 lone Islamists. And of COURSE your immediate response to a Muslim extremist attack is to attack...who? Oh yeah....
So enlighten me Andy who were we at war with?
That really explains a lot. Having to stretch to these kinds of ridiculous lengths is a bit pathetic. About as pathetic as Geller's stretch to try to encompass all of Islam as one great terrorist movement.
CAIR's response to this is typical. In a statement, CAIR said: "We condemn yesterday's attack on an anti-Islam event in Garland, Texas, without reservation. "We also reiterate our view that violence in response to anti-Islam programs like the one in Garland is more insulting to our faith than any cartoon, however defamatory. Bigoted speech can never be an excuse for violence".
They never referred to a love of free speech, the free speech laws, Islamic attempts (often successful) to suppress free speech, or the First Amendment. Instead they focus on "anti_Islam", "bigoted speech" and hatreds against Muslims. CAIR Condemns Attack on Anti-Islam Event in Texas - CAIR
Those groups she cited have murdered THOUSANDS. You don't hear about them as much because one, they are Christian, and two, they operate in places our government doesn't give a **** about.
That is a load of hot, smoking bovine feces. I honestly do not understand why anyone here is defending either side. Two groups of bat **** crazy religious freaks up each other's hatred ante and some of you people are picking sides. Both sides were wrong and are wrong. Actions based in pure hatred should garner no sympathy or support from anyone.
traveling the world, I've never come across a christian who wanted me dead because of my beliefs.
this equivelency argument doesn't work./
Mornin LD. :2wave: Yeah and now the media was talking about that ISIS is calling it their first attack on US Soil. They are saying that.....it is coming and they will do terrible things. I guess they think that will cause some terror ad fear, huh?
Garland (United States) (AFP) - The Islamic State group on Tuesday claimed responsibility for its first attack on US soil in which two gunmen were killed after opening fire at an event in Texas showcasing cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammed.
Two of the soldiers of the caliphate executed an attack on an art exhibit in Garland, Texas, and this exhibit was portraying negative pictures of the Prophet Mohammed," the jihadist group said.
"We tell America that what is coming will be even bigger and more bitter, and that you will see the soldiers of the Islamic State do terrible things," the group announced.....snip~
IS claims Texas shooting, first attack on US soil
Naturally, BO and his Team with the Media are having a different take with their pushback.
They aren't equivocal and if you can't see the difference (one side committing violence), you might be a lefty.
Then why don't you give the numbers so we'll know whether there were actually any at all?Depends upon your definition of "much"
Then why not cite the numbers you claim exist and then blame Obama for not doing enough to fight terror?Those groups she cited have murdered THOUSANDS. You don't hear about them as much because one, they are Christian, and two, they operate in places our government doesn't give a **** about.
No one is "wrong" for exercising their right free speech, nor is it wrong to disagree by using your right to free speech in response. What is wrong is trying to murder other people for exercising their First Amendment rights.That is a load of hot, smoking bovine feces. I honestly do not understand why anyone here is defending either side. Two groups of bat **** crazy religious freaks up each other's hatred ante and some of you people are picking sides. Both sides were wrong and are wrong. Actions based in pure hatred should garner no sympathy or support from anyone.
Americans should be very grateful for their Second Amendment rights.Mornin LD. :2wave: Yeah and now the media was talking about that ISIS is calling it their first attack on US Soil. They are saying that.....it is coming and they will do terrible things. I guess they think that will cause some terror ad fear, huh? Garland (United States) (AFP) - The Islamic State group on Tuesday claimed responsibility for its first attack on US soil in which two gunmen were killed after opening fire at an event in Texas showcasing cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammed. Two of the soldiers of the caliphate executed an attack on an art exhibit in Garland, Texas, and this exhibit was portraying negative pictures of the Prophet Mohammed," the jihadist group said. "We tell America that what is coming will be even bigger and more bitter, and that you will see the soldiers of the Islamic State do terrible things," the group announced.....snip~IS claims Texas shooting, first attack on US soilNaturally, BO and his Team with the Media are having a different take with their pushback.
There will be more....a lot more. Ammo up and keep your powder dry! They are just across the border. Do you think it's just coincidence that the military is rehearsing in Texas?
They are not true Christians.......they are just thugs, rapists and murderers.
Then why not cite the numbers you claim exist and then blame Obama for not doing enough to fight terror?
The Lord's Resistance Army: "Kony initially stated that the LRA’s mission was to overthrow the government and rule Uganda based on the Ten Commandments."
Eastern Lightning:The name "Eastern Lightning" comes from the New Testament, Gospel of Matthew 24:27"
No one is "wrong" for exercising their right free speech, nor is it wrong to disagree by using your right to free speech in response. What is wrong is trying to murder other people for exercising their First Amendment rights.
You genuinely don't understand this?
I have slammed Obama and his predecessors for ignoring terrorism and attrocities in the less "strategic" parts of Africa, both Christian and Muslim in origin, many times. But our government, and I would say the majority of our population, just don't care about Africa.
The ignorance expressed here, which is all too common, is a fine example as to why the conflict between radical Islamists and Western cultural expectations continues.
The jihadist welcomes death, he is guaranteed a place in heaven. They want to be threatened, it is not rational but they are joyous when the bombs rain down. The texts and tweets of the two in Garland clearly say they were going to their deaths, the fact they failed to kill any of those who insult the Prophet did not matter to them, for their deaths were statements of their faith.
And the majority of Muslims would say that ISIS and AQ are not true Muslims. And both they and you would be commiting the No True Scotsman fallacy.
The fact remains, they do it in the name of their religions, whether you agree with their interpretation or not.
But don't worry, I won't judge you or other Christians by their actions. That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
I have slammed Obama and his predecessors for ignoring terrorism and attrocities in the less "strategic" parts of Africa, both Christian and Muslim in origin, many times. But our government, and I would say the majority of our population, just don't care about Africa.
The LRA started by fighting an intertribal war and now is just roving the countryside killing, stealing and kidnapping to survive. There appears to be little in the way of Christian doctrine there. Most of their victims are Christian.
It doesn't look like the Eastern Lighting group has killed more than a dozen people; some of those killed are their own members.
Actions and words born of hatred are always wrong even when they are legal.
I recall something about Bush and later Obama sending US troops to help chase Kony through the bush. It's hard to fight them (the LRA) because they operate in very remote areas that are difficult to travel through.
Bush sent a hundred million to help fight AIDS in Africa, and this aid has continued.
Then Obama sent troops to aid in the fight against Ebola.
Total US foreign aid to African countries is in the billions of dollars every year.
It seems to me that concern for Africa among Americans and in the American government is substancial and bipartisan.
traveling the world, I've never come across a christian who wanted me dead because of my beliefs.
The only hatred demonstrated was by those who were trying to kill innocent people, just like what happened at Charlie Hebdo. Free speech and free ideas are rights which should be demanded by every person born into this world and none of us should be intimidated by those who would remove them.Actions and words born of hatred are always wrong even when they are legal.
Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists. I doubt there is anyone in the world who doesn't understand this. The concern is for those who are, or who lean in that direction.Nor have I in my travels. Nor have I met or known members of any faith who wanted me to see me dead because of my faith. In truth, however, there are people, radical extremists, crazies, and madmen who indeed might wish us dead in the names of their twisted believes. Some are Muslim and some are Christian.
On 9/12, 13, 14 my wife and I spent 3 nights in Muslim owned B&B in Geneva. They could not have been more accommodating and we were good guests.
I grew up very close to a major university. My school classmates were from many countries, some of my friends were Muslim. When I served in the military some of the men I served with were Muslim. When I went to college and grad school some of my classmates and a few of my friends were Muslim. Shall I go on? None of these people or there families or Muslim friends wanted me dead because of my faith. We did not hate nor antagonize each other over religious beliefs.
Do you have any evidence to demonstrate who is or is not a "true Muslim'?And the majority of Muslims would say that ISIS and AQ are not true Muslims.
Exactly. So how can anyone decide who is a true Muslim or not if they are both following the Koran?The fact remains, they do it in the name of their religions, whether you agree with their interpretation or not.
Why? If you willingly belong to a certain group you are going to be judged accordingly.But don't worry, I won't judge you or other Christians by their actions. That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
Matthew 17:27 clearly applies- giving needless offense (and risking avoidable confrontations) is something to be well..... avoided.
That aside, I agree about the principal forbidding the imposition of taste in a democratic society. That still does not change the applicability of Matthew 17:27 in this case.
I value free speech and Matthew 17:27.
Therefore, my criticism is not against free speech, but against those who see no value in avoiding needless offense. Please note, Matthew 17:27 forbids causing "needless offense", not "all offense".
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