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Truth and Fiction/Heroes of Deceit

sephiroth2009

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I really tried to refrain from posting this thread. It took me the weekend and I thought, forget it. But again, I can't get certain things out of my mind.

I've been awake to the madness for 3 years. Alex Jones woke me up. And I thought this guy was true in every sense of the word. But recently, while trying to defend him I begin to think about things. Some things aren't right. There was a rant posted by usda select, I've heard it before. But watching and hearing it again I heard

...do you know what it's like, knowing you work for a bunch of psychotic killers, and that you bastards are probably going to end up killing me someday?....-Alex Jones

I than thought, why would this man say this? What psychotic killers are he working for? Some said he was referring to the cops in the video he started ranting of. But that's not what I interpret. He didn't say anything that would remotely be talking about anyone but himself. Under that fustration, did he let it slip on purpose? Recently, I came across something else. Just a couple weeks(or months?) Alex gave a rant on how co-intelpro works. Not long after, there was a protest in Texas. It was about Guns. Alex that day was invited to protest with the others, however on the show he said he turned it down. He didn't say he wasn't going, but there was a guy on there that he expected to meet at the protest. Well skipping foward, Mr.Jones undoubtedly used what he described what cointelpro was, and did exactly what he described cointelpro to be. He did it to his OWN protestors.

When confronted he told them they weren't doing it right (how can you not protest right? I never knew there was a correct way to protest) when confronted by a girl who had told him she looked up to him and that he woke them all up, he said "what do you have a hard on for me?".

I took the blinders off my eyes and saw Alex for what he was. Not only is he a rude, self ambitious asshole. But he's most likey some sort of agent, or possibly a shill. I heard some of his shows in 98 and 99 and they had scaring tactics written all over them. For a man that "predicted" 9/11 just 3 months before it happened, he certainly didn't sound shocked or was in awe on the fateful day that occurred.

So now, here I am. Confused, dumbfounded, don't know who's right or wrong anymore. And I've been thinking about just giving up completely and let whatever happen, happen. I know for certain that a man Mark Dice is a true Patriot and doesn't make money off of anything but books. He's a good(and funny) activist.

I know of these things to be real:
1.The "Federal Reserve" system, is a fraud. It's bankrupting our country, Thomas Jefferson gave a great quote about private banks(the "Federal" Reserve is a private bank, officially said so by former Chairmen Alan Greenspan himself). I encourage folks to find the truth about the bank.
2. I know that there are greedy bankers out there that are interestd in nothing but personal growth and expension on wealth and power.
3. I know that there is a conspiracy with JFK and 9/11, because there are many questions unanswered and shady things not explained that empowers the conspiracy.
4. I know that the Presidency is nothing more than a puppet's role.
5. I know that there is a plan for a "New World Order"(through money and war, debts of the nations, etc.)Banker and chairmen of the Council on Foreign Relations, David Rockefeller admits in his memoirs and doesn't deny the existance of a cabal working in the interests against America to bring about the New World Order. He admitted that he liked how Mao went through with his policies. He believes that the population should be dwindled. Henry Kissenger has said this as well.
6. Federal rules broken to meet in secret(Logan act) for certain individuals to meet to discuss policy and agendas via Bilderberg. The rich and powerful attends these meetings, many of whom believes there should be a New World Order.
7. I know that every major war has been profited off of by the bankers.
8. I know the Rockefeller family introduced the Eugenics program that Hitler picked up on.
9. I KNOW the Holocaust happened(for some reason there are idiots who believe otherwise)

Things I'm not to sure of:
1.The official account of the actual events of 9/11(things are shady, questions not answered, things leading to more conspiracy than truth, but I do know 2.that 9/11 is being used as a means to instill fear)
3.If there really is a chance of Martial Law(even though there are FEMA Internment camps, with bills stating soldier and law enforcement would be necessary in a crisis.
4. if the Georgia Guidestones are a testament to the Internationalists. (however, there was a meeting in 1913 on Jekyl Island, off the coast of Georgia that would come about of the Federal Reserve Bank that involved Bankers)
5. Bits and bits of other things.

So, now I'm at a loss. I guess I can't really trust anyone but myself. Can't trust the Government, can't trust most truthers because the movement has been hijacked. I really don't know how to get a move on. I either want to continue to try with the movement, or let go and not care about anything else. To make matters worse, I might be coming down with carpal tunnel.

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Anything else I should add, let me know.
 
Basically, I think he's good for blasting away the wall of ignorance of those who are just beginning to think for themselves. After that, it's best to let the catalyst go.
 
Another day, another rant, another conspiracy theory. I don't feel the world changing any more faster than before
 
Another day, another rant, another conspiracy theory. I don't feel the world changing any more faster than before

They are the slowest black helicopters ever. Tyranny was supposed to be here like 10 years ago if you believe this moron (Alex Jones).
 
I took the blinders off my eyes and saw Alex for what he was.

Congratulations ... what took you so long really ... for Alex Jones is NOTHING more than a loud-mouthed boor who preys on peoples insecurities and fears, making himself a very tidy sum.

Here in Europe we tend not to fall for that kind of nonsence ... too much spluttering ranting to be credible, for everything he says is just hyperbolic propaganda designed for no other reason but to fleece gullible people of money. I don't think he is even that sane, and he most certainly has anger issues, no-one can be that angry who lives comfortably and is lauded by many !!!

Alex Jones is naught but an egotistical rabble-rouser out to stir things and make money, why can't you see that ... it is as obvious as the day is long ???

Just look/listen at how MUCH advertising he has and how often he is trying to sell something ...

Alex Jones' Infowars Shop

It is this simple Sephiroth, all these kind of sites and people have LOTS OF STUFF TO SELL ... in contrast the debunker sites and individuals have no hard sell going on ... always be wary of those that tout themselves as on your side and advocating freedom and justice when their sites are replete with adverts, shops and the ever-present "Donate" button ... as well as the endless SELF-PROMOTION

Exposing Alex Jones & 'Exposing Corruption' -- Debunking Conspiracy Myths -- Damien Falgoust

CHRISTIAN MEDIA RESEARCH - Profiles - Media - Alex Jones

Caveat emptor indeed !!!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...sic-information-9-11-a-12.html#post1059008019

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...sic-information-9-11-a-12.html#post1059013415
 
Congratulations ... what took you so long really ... for Alex Jones is NOTHING more than a loud-mouthed boor who preys on peoples insecurities and fears, making himself a very tidy sum.

Here in Europe we tend not to fall for that kind of nonsence ... too much spluttering ranting to be credible, for everything he says is just hyperbolic propaganda designed for no other reason but to fleece gullible people of money. I don't think he is even that sane, and he most certainly has anger issues, no-one can be that angry who lives comfortably and is lauded by many !!!

Alex Jones is naught but an egotistical rabble-rouser out to stir things and make money, why can't you see that ... it is as obvious as the day is long ???

Just look/listen at how MUCH advertising he has and how often he is trying to sell something ...

Alex Jones' Infowars Shop

It is this simple Sephiroth, all these kind of sites and people have LOTS OF STUFF TO SELL ... in contrast the debunker sites and individuals have no hard sell going on ... always be wary of those that tout themselves as on your side and advocating freedom and justice when their sites are replete with adverts, shops and the ever-present "Donate" button ... as well as the endless SELF-PROMOTION

Exposing Alex Jones & 'Exposing Corruption' -- Debunking Conspiracy Myths -- Damien Falgoust

CHRISTIAN MEDIA RESEARCH - Profiles - Media - Alex Jones

Caveat emptor indeed !!!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...sic-information-9-11-a-12.html#post1059008019

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...sic-information-9-11-a-12.html#post1059013415

He seems to be really good at psychology on how it is that he convinces the public. Like I said, he's only good for waking people up, after that he should be let go and people should stick their own research and belief system. Quite sad that there are people like him, and at an extent pisses me off. At least I'm proud to say I'm no sheeple. I would like to get an interview with him though. Just me and him, whilst recording it(he wouldn't know). I'd like to get some answers.

He's either forced to sspout out his half truth lies, or hr enjoys it and feels that it's a good way to earn money. It could be both. With him saying he works for a bunch of psychotic killers, that alone should say something or give some sort of message. I know he doesn't work for the Vatican or anything like that, he good just be a Government psi-op.
 
My advice to you is fairly simple. Never immediately discount or accept a claim. Check it. Then make sure to double-check it. After that be sure to triple-check it. For safe measure every few months your should probably check it again. For one, the more times you check it the more likely you are to have a good handle on the situation, and you are more likely to stumble onto new issues that you were not even aware existed. Also avoid clinging to any specific ideology. Approaching the subject from a purely paleolibertarian/paleoconservative stance will limit your ability to see the complete picture just like a person approaching it from a purely socialist/anarcho-syndicalist stance will be limited.

In essence, you should assume everything you have ever been told is a lie until you can find good reason to suggest otherwise.

However, I do have a basic formative view that seems helpful in comprehending the workings of the establishment. Try to think of the system of control less as the machinations of government or business and more as a criminal racket. It is, after all, a fairly apt comparison. On the international stage a lot of treaties and agreements are reached in ways that bear a greater resemblance to the actions of organized crime than governments. Domestically you can make many of the same comparisons. Rod Blagojevich was correct in saying that his actions were typical political horse trades. His only mistake was being overly blunt about what a "political horse trade" actually means. So likening the system to a criminal racket it is a pretty good way of grasping it.

When you look at it that way it is not as difficult to reconcile the usual attacks from "skeptics" as a criminal racket can be both centrally organized and internally divided in ways that suggest a lack of organization. At the same time a criminal racket can have both political and economic purposes. This, of course, does not by itself help in comprehending the entirety of the situation but it is useful as a starting point.
 
at what point do all of these pretty much redundant Conspiracy Theory threads become spam?
Probably when the "Conspiracy Theory" section is gone.

This thread could be spam I guess, but Alex Jones is one of the leaders of the conspiracies.
 
then please do us a favor and stop posting them. posting the same thing again and again doesn't mean they will be any more popular or believed.
That or don't come in here if you don't like them. What's the point in posting in something you don't like? The only time someone looks at a conspiracy thread is if they're interested in the conspiracy, or rather, that's how it should be. Don't know why it isn't like that here. People post here to be dickwads.
 
I hate to break this into you boy, but none of your lies are being believed, except for coolwalker and maybe Bman.

What's up with your obsession with AJ? Do you work for him? Do you hate him? Are you a POE? I'm not baiting, I'm asking an honest question, how virtually every thread he starts or every post he starts happens to mention AJ.

In addition, I thought you added Thunder to your ignore list. What, removed him in less than a week?
 
I hate to break this into you boy, but none of your lies are being believed, except for coolwalker and maybe Bman.

What's up with your obsession with AJ? Do you work for him? Do you hate him? Are you a POE? I'm not baiting, I'm asking an honest question, how virtually every thread he starts or every post he starts happens to mention AJ.

In addition, I thought you added Thunder to your ignore list. What, removed him in less than a week?
Thunder is on my ignore list you dirty little troll. But I can choose to view posts. You might be added as well if you insist on trolling the hell out me.
 
On the general question of whether Alex Jones is acting in furtherance of some cointelpro-type operation I would not rule it out. Even if that is not the case I think one can argue that he is specifically propped up to the exclusion of others because he does the cause more harm with his off-the-wall predictions and bizarre behavior. I remember one video where he had joker makeup on was laughing maniacally about "Joker corp" and saying some skyscraper was built in the model of Molech the owl-god. His antics are almost as damaging as the conveniently-open-to-blatant-infiltration-by-neo-nazis Reptillian world masters conspiracy theory put forward by David Icke.

Certainly seems like they are way too good at causing anyone who questions the official history to be considered persona non grata by association.
 
Calling someone a dirty little troll isn't a good idea in a forum, mind you
 
I hate to break this into you boy, but none of your lies are being believed, except for coolwalker and maybe Bman.

What's up with your obsession with AJ? Do you work for him? Do you hate him? Are you a POE? I'm not baiting, I'm asking an honest question, how virtually every thread he starts or every post he starts happens to mention AJ.

In addition, I thought you added Thunder to your ignore list. What, removed him in less than a week?

I believe he said that he was going to go to work for him.
 
I believe he said that he was going to go to work for him.
That was when I was all gung-ho on Jones. Now I just don't give a damn. You don't know who's telling the truth these days. I'm treating everyone like a liar until I'm certain something has enough proof to can back up certain claims(my original standing on the things in the first post still stands)
 
That was when I was all gung-ho on Jones. Now I just don't give a damn. You don't know who's telling the truth these days. I'm treating everyone like a liar until I'm certain something has enough proof to can back up certain claims(my original standing on the things in the first post still stands)

The government is right on the major 9/11 issues. They always have been.
 
The only thing I'm convinced of and was painly obvious was that there were planes that hit the towers. That's all I'm convinced of.
I posted this on another 911 thread. I will ask you:
take a look at any theory
have it stand on its own
disregard the govt reports as if they never happened
then ask yourself did they prove it.

imo, none of the conspiracy theories stand the test.
 
I posted this on another 911 thread. I will ask you:
take a look at any theory
have it stand on its own
disregard the govt reports as if they never happened
then ask yourself did they prove it.

imo, none of the conspiracy theories stand the test.
They don't have proof that a guy in a cave orchestrated such events. I'm not saying it wasn't Muslim extremists, but they didn't even extradite Bin Laden like McVeigh.

There is proof however that the Pentagon were going over schematics to see how planes would fly into buildings like the Pentagon itself. That alone should get someone thinking why would they do that and even come up with such thinking.

I'm not turning this into a 9/11 thread, as I said before I don't like talking about it. So that's all you'll be hearing from me on the matter.
 
Afghanistan REFUSED to hand-over Bin Laden.
But we HAD him just a couple months after 9/11. Checking out at a American hospital, being brought into the Pentagon. It's the same with the so-called new leader of Al-Qaida a few months ago when he was brought into the Pentagon.

It's hilarious how people haven't taken the wool from over their eyes. I'm done with 9/11.
 
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