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Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

Are beliefs facts? This question you just refuse to answer. I read two of the stories in the link and neither discussed whether believing in god was a fact or a belief. So for the second time in this post and numerous other times, are beliefs facts? You know they aren't which is why you keep running around the mulberry bush.
 
That some believe that beliefs are facts is a fact. Or so I believe.
 
What beliefs are, in the non-opinion use of the term, is irrational. It's intellectual laziness wrapped in self emotional appeal. I often said beliefs do not equal facts.
 
Gordy327 said:
What beliefs are, in the non-opinion use of the term, is irrational. It's intellectual laziness wrapped in self emotional appeal.
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not mine.

Gordy327 said:
I often said beliefs do not equal facts.
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one exception, my beliefs DO equal facts.

in school when i study science, especially biology, my beliefs always trumped the science books if there was a Contradiction.

now that is what i call a Solid Faith.

Jesus said, if you have a Faith the size of a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to move into the sea and it will do that.

Gordy, THAT is a fact.


blessings.



...this Bible Cartoon was around when i was a kid, still great and still a Fact.


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Revelation said:
not mine.
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Especially yours!
Revelation said:
one exception, my beliefs DO equal facts.
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That's nice. Prove it!
Revelation said:
in school when i study science, especially biology, my beliefs always trumped the science books if there was a Contradiction.
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I'll stick to actual science. Not self delusions.
Revelation said:
now that is what i call a Solid Faith.
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See previous statement.
Revelation said:
Jesus said, if you have a Faith the size of a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to move into the sea and it will do that.

Gordy, THAT is a fact.
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That's nice. Prove it!
Revelation said:
blessings.
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Whatever
 
Gordy327 said:
Especially yours!
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That's nice. Prove it!
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ok, i will...

there is enuf proof in one sentence i write concerning God than all the books atheists have ever written.

you just don't know how to look, so i will try again. but we must become as children and believe what we are told, then our reason will kick in hard this morning.

you are a person Gordy that senses things in only 4 dimensions, so you are VERY limited because we know there are at least 10 dimensions to this physical universe according to Quantum physics.

if you were just a 2 dimensional sensing person, you could never acknowledge a person like me who has 3 dimensions, because i might appear and disappear for no reason into what you experience.

we know that Jesus operated in 10 dimensions when he rose from the dead and walked thru a wall of the upper room and sat down and ate.

"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you." (John 20:19, KJV)

Since Jesus created the 10 dimensions when he created the World back in Genesis, it is reasonable to believe that he easily exists in many more dimensions than the 10 dimensions he created when he created the World.

thus your issue of God being Invisible to your eyes, even though he exists everywhere in the room you are reading what i write. of course you Demand evidence of what is all around you constantly and knows more about you than you or i do.

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I'll stick to actual science. Not self delusions.
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well ok. if you were truly Scientific, then my explanation should be sufficient for you to believe.

but you are Obstinate toward me and have no Creative Imagination into the ways that God works, so you remain guilty of your ways and will be judged in the end as not passing his standard of Faith plainly laid out in the holy Scriptures.


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See previous statement.
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That's nice. Prove it!
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i just may, but not today.

you have tooo much proof, so go on your way and disregard the only Truth that will set you free from the curse of unbelief.


many many Blessings, now and forever. amen.


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Whatever
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Logician Man said:
Lol...



Revelation said:
i like being an Ignorant Rube



IGNORANT | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary​

Ignorant means not having enough knowledge, understanding, or information about something, or not polite or showing respect.
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good morning my friends that can only perceive in 2 dimensions, and yet live in a 10 dimensional world.

yes, of course i may seem rather 'ignorant' to you, and some days that is very true. but it doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of taking my words on Faith as that of a little child.

well i am rather busy this morning, but there is much more to discuss and pray about. maybe we can join together in prayer in the future and pray that the eyes of Logic and Gordy are opened to the blessed Faith of our great holy King James bible.

and i understand your accusations regarding my rubeness, but i assure you that is not the case this morning.

go in peace my friends, the Mourner's Bench remains open to you as you kneel there waiting for Light to proceed further into the Mysteries of the Blessed Faith....


...are you ready to abandon your unbelief and cry at the Mourner's Bench?

i hope so.


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Revelation said:
good morning my friends that can only perceive in 2 dimensions, and yet live in a 10 dimensional world.

...are you ready to abandon your unbelief and cry at the Mourner's Bench?
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Ready to abandon yours?

 
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yes, of course i may seem rather 'ignorant' to you
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I'm simply connecting the dots in your two posts, Rev.

The logical deduction to be derived by connecting the dots in your two posts is that you:



"Like being Ignorant" (your posted words you chose to put forth above)

That is just a 'statement of fact.'
 
Still waiting on that proof. Meaningless exposition is not proof.
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well ok. if you were truly Scientific, then my explanation should be sufficient for you to believe.
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It's not. It's not scientific in the least. But then, I would expect someone who prefers belief over science to be scientifically illiterate.
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but you are Obstinate toward me and have no Creative Imagination into the ways that God works, so you remain guilty of your ways and will be judged in the end as not passing his standard of Faith plainly laid out in the holy Scriptures.
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This isn't about you. Get over yourself.
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i just may, but not today.
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in other words, you have no proof if anything, are just spewing your typical ignorant BS, and then run away when challenged like you always do.
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you have tooo much proof, so go on your way and disregard the only Truth that will set you free from the curse of unbelief.
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You have yet to provide any which conforms to the scientific definition and acceptance of it.
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many many Blessings, now and forever. amen.
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Whatever
 
Revelation said:
good morning my friends that can only perceive in 2 dimensions, and yet live in a 10 dimensional world.

yes, of course i may seem rather 'ignorant' to you
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it's not just him, but rather most everybody.
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, and some days that is very true.
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Only on days that end in 'y.'
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but it doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of taking my words on Faith as that of a little child.
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How is that anyone's responsibility? I don't take your words at all!
 
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As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong?
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knowing is one thing - DOING is another

its wrong to commit adultery on your spouse - some 60% of people do it anyway because they feel like it

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Does a book have to tell you?
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it doesn't hurt


pray about it all is my suggestion
 
Logician Man said:
I'm simply connecting the dots in your two posts, Rev.
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stick with the subject at hand and stop connecting dots.

my view of things is the Macro intelligence of applying the wonderful substance of the Holy Bible over whatever claims a person makes concerning trivial matters your world seems to consist of.

drop your trivial concerns and come to the Light. Crystal love 4 Jesus has determined we have less than 5 years left; this was in her vision at 5:44 in the morning pacific time....

Logician Man said:
The logical deduction to be derived by connecting the dots in your two posts is that you:



"Like being Ignorant" (your posted words you chose to put forth above)
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That is just a 'statement of fact.'
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you are Ignorant of the facts of Faith my friend.

Crystal has warned you about this in a dream at 5:44 in the morning. she says that you refuse to be persuaded by the Lord, basically you ARE disobedient friend.

well gotta run, very little time left in the End Times.

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stop connecting dots.



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Lol...



CONNECT THE DOTS | English meaning​

connect the dots​

idiom (also mainly UK join the dots)

Add to word list
to understand the relationships between different facts or events so that you fully understand a situation:
All the information is there in the article — you just need to connect the dots.
I regret that we didn't connect the dots quickly enough on terrorism.
It is a compliment to an audience to leave some things to their imagination and trust them to connect the dots.
If I was able to join the dots and discover your true identity then I am sure that, in time, others will too.
There was a basic failure to just join the dots and realize what was really going on.
 
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they actually believe in God just like the rest of the christians here
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yes, you have an Intellectual faith in God just like i do.

but that faith falls short.

you don't act on it, you are just not willing to change your life direction to the Reality of what you know to be true. you don't understand the demands of God upon your life, so you wish to remain outside the Family of Faith.

i prefer Salvation over a prideful and fake atheistic way of life that ends up being condemned at God's court on the final day. with an Eternal Punishment of damnation inside a Toaster oven never to be heard from again.


...in this scene we find out what the atheist is made of. he is on his knees begging for forgiveness and then God reviews his life. their is a Grand Review of every post made in DP declaring the atheist's lack of faith and obedience to the call.

the atheist's Mocking of the Faith is also examined in detail as the verdict is finally hammered out at the Eternal Bar of Justice.

the atheist is guilty without mercy or grace.............none.

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we don't have any atheists
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show me one.

our Atheists who write here have an Excellent knowledge of the Holy Bible and quote it better than many christians. the Holy bible is in your heart and mind just waiting for you to bend your will to it's Supreme Excellency of logic and thought.

Logic, you for one are one of the biggest Bible Thumping preachers here, even adapting the huge Lettering and emojis that Tosca employs to get her thoughts across.



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CONTRADICT ONESELF Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

The meaning of CONTRADICT ONESELF is to say or do something that is opposite or very different in meaning to something else that one said or did earlier.
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those are seeming Contradictions. some day i wish to present the Grand Theory of everything concerning the Faith, Universe, Logic, and whatever else needs to be understood on a very simple level.

until that happens, please avail yourself to the wisdom of this woman of faith and receive a Free t-shirt for your efforts....


Crystal Love4Jesus

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let the past die friend onto the scrap heap of old memories which need to remain buried. thanks.
 
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Lol...



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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/connect-the-dots
Logician Man said:
CONNECT THE DOTS | English meaning

connect the dots​

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well fine, we can connect the dots that matter today...

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idiom (also mainly UK join the dots)
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so you want to CONNECT dots today ??

this RABBI has one dot to connect, can you guess what it might be.....




Jewish Rabbi Dies… Comes Back Screaming ONE Name: Jesus! - A Real NDE Testimony​



Respected Orthodox Rabbi David Cohen died just before Shabbat—but what happened next will leave you speechless. In this powerful near-death experience (NDE), he found himself outside his body, pulled into a realm of light, peace… and a divine encounter that changed everything.

A lifetime of Torah study couldn’t prepare him for what he saw: Jesus—alive, radiant, and undeniably real. This shocking testimony reveals how a devout Jewish man came to believe Jesus is the Messiah.

Watch until the end for the full story of his return, the struggle to share the truth, and the life-changing mission he now carries. Subscribe for more real NDE stories, faith transformations, and spiritual encounters that prove God's plan is bigger than we think.

Chapters: 0:00 Intro 0:45 Who Rabbi David Was 4:15 The Moment of Death 9:50 The Light & Presence 14:00 The Encounter with Jesus 19:20 Visions from the Torah 28:45 Heaven & Hell Revealed 33:00 Returning to Life 46:00 Family & Community Reactions 50:40 A New Mission BeginsRelevant

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Near-death experiences (NDEs) are profound and life-changing events that often involve feelings of peace, love, and a deep sense of connection. Many individuals, such as heart attack survivors, have shared their incredible journeys of visiting afterlife realms like heaven and hell before being sent back to life with a renewed perspective.

These powerful testimonies are frequently featured on platforms like the 700 Club testimonies and the Jeff Mara Podcast, both of which explore afterlife experiences and divine encounters. A common theme in NDE stories is the out-of-body experience (OBE), where individuals describe floating above their bodies and observing events from a detached perspective.

Some believe these experiences provide communication with God, Jesus, and the divine, offering valuable insights into life, death, and the afterlife. Figures like Dorothy Shelton have shared how NDEs can serve as a bridge to spiritual understanding.For those interested in researching near-death experiences, there are numerous resources available.

The Near Death Experience Research Association conducts studies on the subject, while scientific studies and documentaries, including TED Talks, examine the phenomenon in greater detail. Platforms like YouTube feature a vast collection of NDE stories, from firsthand accounts to expert analyses. Popular examples include Anita Moorjani’s bestselling book Dying to Be Me and her TED Talk, as well as discussions on afterlife definition and near-death signs.Explore the mysteries of NDEs through firsthand accounts, research, and expert insights. Whether through books, podcasts, or online content, these experiences continue to inspire and provide comfort to those seeking answers about what lies beyond this life.
 
Logician Man said:


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we don't have any atheists here that i can find.
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we don't have any atheists here, at least not any good ones.

the reason i say that is because you claim to be that, but i believe you are Lying to me about your Atheism. therefore the truth appears to be that you really are not and you do believe, but have fallen away from the true Faith.

you can't prove to me that you are an Atheist either with your Expert use of the scriptures almost daily fighting it out with the christians on this forum, in your losing battles to prove me wrong.

just stop would be my advice and watch the video above i have provided to strengthen your weak faith...

Jewish Rabbi Dies… Comes Back Screaming ONE Name: Jesus! - A Real NDE Testimony​



Respected Orthodox Rabbi David Cohen died just before Shabbat—but what happened next will leave you speechless. In this powerful near-death experience (NDE), he found himself outside his body, pulled into a realm of light, peace… and a divine encounter that changed everything.

https://youtu.be /NmMIyUzH1bM?si=6h44amaMxY6f_mxD


Logician Man said:


Revelation said:
i like being an Ignorant Rube
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God uses the rubes to confound the wise of this world....
The full verse from the King James Version (KJV) is:

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty." (1 Corinthians 1:27)
Logic, do you see the Rubes in this verse ???

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instead of Laughing, you should be 'confounded'.


work on being Confounded today and come back. we will wait


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Gotta run, Rev. Myself and two good Christian friends are off to the foothills to give some homeless veterans new thermal sleeping bags bottled water, medicine, and food we bought/collected in the neighborhood and at Walmart. Those vets choose to tough it out here in the Rockies during the cold winters, and the night temps can be brutally cold for those American Patriots.

Have a great day, Brother!
 


I became an atheist as a child in Catholic Grade school, where, with un-identified attention deficit, I was whipped daily for not paying attention.

It robbed me of a choice between living my free will and being in pain every day.

That was a cruel mother ****er of a god who obviously hated children and appointed these frustrated women in stupid dresses to feed their sadism. So pretty much every day I try to do something that will mind **** a Christian.

My "Jesus is gay" T-shirt is old and faded. I must get another
 
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