Trump's tariffs have failed and cost the US dearly (1 Viewer)

[my2sence]

Trump touted the tariffs will make the US "rich". What a fraud .He's shutting down the US just like Covid did. He's failed to produce any significant "deals" also. His tariffs have accomplished nothing but chaos and harm to the US and to the voters. His misguided avarice for making America "rich" has made everyone poorer and cost jobs and puchasing power. Amazon is planning to show the impact of the tariffs on every item they sell so customers can see how Trump is insideously taxing them with tariffs that weren't authorized by Congress like normal taxes. He's deceiving the ctitzens with talk of making America "rich" when he's actually trying to raise government revenue to give tax breaks to the rich and to pay for his costly and impractical deportation objective that will take workers away from many jobs in which they are needed. His deportation folly reportedly will cost the UD $350,000,000,000 at the taxpayers and consumers expense withtaxes & tariffs. The US population is 350,000,000. How does it feel to have Trump charge every US citizen $1000 to deport migrants simply because they don't have the proper paperwork and/or have been accused of a crime without due process. Negatively affecting anyone without due process is "guilty until proven innocent" and is just as criminal. But what do you expect from a convicted criminal "rfunning the world" with his ego, very little interiigence, and his trial and error executive orders that gamble with the constitution and the nations infrastructure with very poor foresight. The past 100 days would have been better if the office of the Presidency was simply vacant.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Trump touted the tariffs will make the US "rich". What a fraud.

He's shutting down the US just like Covid did.
He's failed to produce any significant "deals" also.
His tariffs have accomplished nothing but chaos and harm to the US and to the voters.
His misguided avarice for making America "rich" has made everyone poorer and cost jobs and puchasing power.

Amazon is planning to show the impact of the tariffs on every item they sell so customers can see how Trump is insideously taxing them with tariffs that weren't authorized by Congress like normal taxes.

He's deceiving the ctitzens with talk of making America "rich" when he's actually trying to raise government revenue to give tax breaks to the rich and to pay for his costly and impractical deportation objective that will take workers away from many jobs in which they are needed.

His deportation folly reportedly will cost the UD $350,000,000,000 at the taxpayers and consumers expense withtaxes & tariffs.
The US population is 350,000,000.
How does it feel to have Trump charge every US citizen $1000 to deport migrants simply because they don't have the proper paperwork and/or have been accused of a crime without due process. Negatively affecting anyone without due process is "guilty until proven innocent" and is just as criminal.

But what do you expect from a convicted criminal "rfunning the world" with his ego, very little interiigence, and his trial and error executive orders that gamble with the constitution and the nations infrastructure with very poor foresight.

The past 100 days would have been better if the office of the Presidency was simply vacant.

no more walls

 

[Peter]

Yes, when you try and bully allied countries for no reason it does tend to backfire badly.

 

[AZRWinger]

Yes, when you try and bully allied countries for no reason it does tend to backfire badly.

Being an allied country isn't a guarantee they do not have unfair anti-US trade restrictions. For example Canada enjoys a $65 billion trade surplus with the US. Turns out ally Canada fails to meet its NATO defense spending target. That's two good reasons to look at out trade agreements with ally Canada. No bullying involved.

"In 2024, the United States had a goods trade deficit with 92 countries and a surplus with 111 countries. Overall, it ran a $1.2 trillion trade-in-goods deficit that year."

The U.S. Trade Balance with Every Country | The Motley Fool

The latest data on the U.S. trade in goods surplus and deficits by country.

www.fool.com

The linked article contains an exhaustive list of nations with the net trade balance for each nation.

 

[Grand Mal]

Being an allied country isn't a guarantee they do not have unfair anti-US trade restrictions. For example Canada enjoys a $65 billion trade surplus with the US. Turns out ally Canada fails to meet its NATO defense spending target. That's two good reasons to look at out trade agreements with ally Canada. No bullying involved.

RING!

American Bridge- "Hello, Stelco? We'd like to order 24 tons of 1/2" mild steel plate, please."
Stelco- "Sorry, the Canadian Government says we can't sell you any more steel until a Canadian company buys $18M worth of something from an American company!"

Is that how you think it should work?

"In 2024, the United States had a goods trade deficit with 92 countries and a surplus with 111 countries. Overall, it ran a $1.2 trillion trade-in-goods deficit that year."

The U.S. Trade Balance with Every Country | The Motley Fool

The latest data on the U.S. trade in goods surplus and deficits by country.

www.fool.com

The linked article contains an exhaustive list of nations with the net trade balance for each nation.

Your boy Trump tore up NAFTA, negotiated a new deal, signed the new deal, bragged about dictating the terms of the new deal, and now he's torn that one up too. Put tariffs on when there was a trade agreement between us that HE made.
No deal with the USA is worth a pinch of coon shit. America's word is worthless.
Canada's new deal- The USA can KMA!

 

[CaughtInThe]

Of course they're failing.

You can't extort the entire world all at once and expect good results.



PS: The USA has < 5% of the world's population.

 

[AZRWinger]

RING!

American Bridge- "Hello, Stelco? We'd like to order 24 tons of 1/2" mild steel plate, please."
Stelco- "Sorry, the Canadian Government says we can't sell you any more steel until a Canadian company buys $18M worth of something from an American company!"

Is that how you think it should work?

Nope. American goods and services should have the same access to the Canadian markets as they do to ours.
America First means the US looks to our interests first just as Canada always has.

Your boy Trump tore up NAFTA, negotiated a new deal, signed the new deal, bragged about dictating the terms of the new deal, and now he's torn that one up too. Put tariffs on when there was a trade agreement between us that HE made.
No deal with the USA is worth a pinch of coon shit. America's word is worthless.
Canada's new deal- The USA can KMA!

The MCA treaty was a major accomplishment 5 years ago. But, like any other treaty it's not carved in stone. The march of reform continues.

No tantrum is a substitute for access to US markets. Your anger at losing Canadian protectionist barriers is understandable but immature. If you think the Chinese will open their domestic markets to Canada, you are in for a rude awakening.

Since you are such a diligent follower of treaties, kindly explain Canada's failure to meet it's minimum defense spending level of 2% GDP per the NATO treaty. Does your outrage only apply when Canada can abuse the other countries.

 

[Grand Mal]

Nope. American goods and services should have the same access to the Canadian markets as they do to ours.
America First means the US looks to our interests first just as Canada always has.

The MCA treaty was a major accomplishment 5 years ago. But, like any other treaty it's not carved in stone. The march of reform continues.

Like I say, Americas word is worthless.

No tantrum is a substitute for access to US markets. Your anger at losing Canadian protectionist barriers is understandable but immature.

No idea what you're talking about here, and I don't believe you have either.

If you think the Chinese will open their domestic markets to Canada, you are in for a rude awakening.

Okay, clarify this for me. Are you saying Chinese companies won't buy anything from Canadian companies?

Since you are such a diligent follower of treaties, kindly explain Canada's failure to meet it's minimum defense spending level of 2% GDP per the NATO treaty.

No.

Does your outrage only apply when Canada can abuse the other countries.

What kind of abuse are you talking about? Do you mean American companies buying things from Canadian companies?
Here's a concept that seems to boggle minds that are easily boggled- 100 people spend more money and buy more stuff than 10 people! Try to wrap your mind around that one.

 

[AZRWinger]

Like I say, Americas word is worthless.

You reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. The US is just supposed to subsidize Canada without complaint. No thanks.

No idea what you're talking about here, and I don't believe you have either.

It's very simple, Canada needs access to US markets.

Okay, clarify this for me. Are you saying Chinese companies won't buy anything from Canadian companies?

China will not open its domestic markets to anyone. If you are hoping to replace exports to the US with exports to China, that's a mistake.

No.

Refusing to discuss Canada's failure to meet it's NATO defense spending targets doesn't make it go away.

What kind of abuse are you talking about? Do you mean American companies buying things from Canadian companies?

The 25% additional tarriffs apply to imports that do not comply with the MCA treaty.

Canada-U.S. Trade

Find out the latest on how CFIB is actively working with governments to minimize the impact of U.S. tariffs on small buisnesses in Canada.

www.cfib-fcei.ca

Here's a concept that seems to boggle minds that are easily boggled- 100 people spend more money and buy more stuff than 10 people! Try to wrap your mind around that one.

Here is a concept that seems to boggle your mind, Canadian exports to the US must comply with the MCA treaty or they will be subject to a 25% tariffs.

 

[Grand Mal]

You reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. The US is just supposed to subsidize Canada without complaint. No thanks.

What subsidy? What the hell are you talking about?
Damn. You're calling a trade deficit a 'subsidy', aren't you.
Simple things seem to escape you. Here's one of them- trade happens between companies, not governments. Tariff away- you're just making American companies pay more for stuff they need.

It's very simple, Canada needs access to US markets.

China will not open its domestic markets to anyone. If you are hoping to replace exports to the US with exports to China, that's a mistake.

Refusing to discuss Canada's failure to meet it's NATO defense spending targets doesn't make it go away.

The 25% additional tarriffs apply to imports that do not comply with the MCA treaty.

Canada-U.S. Trade

Find out the latest on how CFIB is actively working with governments to minimize the impact of U.S. tariffs on small buisnesses in Canada.

www.cfib-fcei.ca

Here is a concept that seems to boggle your mind, Canadian exports to the US must comply with the MCA treaty or they will be subject to a 25% tariffs.

 

[AZRWinger]

What subsidy? What the hell are you talking about?
Damn. You're calling a trade deficit a 'subsidy', aren't you.
Simple things seem to escape you. Here's one of them- trade happens between companies, not governments. Tariff away- you're just making American companies pay more for stuff they need.

Your comment is a compilation of simple things you don't understand.

 

[OlNate]

Your comment is a compilation of simple things you don't understand.

And yet you ducked it entirely.

How about you answer his question, help him "understand".

 

[AZRWinger]

And yet you ducked it entirely.

How about you answer his question, help him "understand".

What question? What the H are you talking about? It's simple enough, you don't understand. Don't make me have to break out emojis.

 

[OlNate]

What question? What the H are you talking about? It's simple enough, you don't understand. Don't make me have to break out emojis.

He asked you to explain what you mean by "subsidy". I, too, am interested. And emojis would be a great idea, they tend to brighten up the presentation and make it generally more interesting and easy to read.

So?

 

[AZRWinger]

He asked you to explain what you mean by "subsidy". I, too, am interested. And emojis would be a great idea, they tend to brighten up the presentation and make it generally more interesting and easy to read.

So?

You reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. The US is just supposed to subsidize Canada without complaint. No thanks.

Why would Canada violate the MCA? For profit of course. So, in effect US purchasers are subsidizing Canada. It's the same effect as Canada's failure to meet it's NATO defense spending targets. They do it because they are confident good old Uncle Sucker will subsidize their defense.

 

[OlNate]

You reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. The US is just supposed to subsidize Canada without complaint. No thanks.

Why would Canada violate the MCA? For profit of course. So, in effect US purchasers are subsidizing Canada. It's the same effect as Canada's failure to meet it's NATO defense spending targets. They do it because they are confident good old Uncle Sucker will subsidize their defense.

I don't reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. I'm not sure where you get that.

I looked it up, and the only USMCA violation I can find is on the dairy front.

I also looked up American violations, and you guys aren't clean either.

The fact is both sides attempt to get away with shit from time to time, that has been the way it's gone forever. Things get resolved or renegotiated and life moves on, everyone makes money. Seems a better approach than letting the world burn.

The notion of "subsidy" falls flat. We could just as easily say we subsidize your economy through providing you with cheaper goods driven by our lower labor costs and bountiful surplus resources.

Militarily speaking, the only enemies we have are those we gained from supporting you. Our other allies as well, but primarily you. We are not expansionary, we don't piss people off. Therefore, whether we meet these spending goals or not, our entire armed forces exist primarily to subsidize the militaries of our allies.

So I'm still left scratching my head as to why you think you, as the biggest military and economic (for now) super power in the world, are some kind of victim, and that we, lil' ol' Canada, are your bully.

 

[AZRWinger]

I don't reject the idea of reciprocal trade agreements. I'm not sure where you get that.

I looked it up, and the only USMCA violation I can find is on the dairy front.

I also looked up American violations, and you guys aren't clean either.

You don't reject reciprocal trade agreements as long as Canada benefits disportionately.

The fact is both sides attempt to get away with shit from time to time, that has been the way it's gone forever. Things get resolved or renegotiated and life moves on, everyone makes money. Seems a better approach than letting the world burn.

World burning is Greta Thunberg level hyperbole. Canada doesn’t get a free pass.

The notion of "subsidy" falls flat. We could just as easily say we subsidize your economy through providing you with cheaper goods driven by our lower labor costs and bountiful surplus resources.

Say whatever you wish. It's no excuse for continuing to mistreat the US in trade.

Militarily speaking, the only enemies we have are those we gained from supporting you. Our other allies as well, but primarily you. We are not expansionary, we don't piss people off. Therefore, whether we meet these spending goals or not, our entire armed forces exist primarily to subsidize the militaries of our allies.

Poor Canada, expected to pay their own way as a NATO member.

So I'm still left scratching my head as to why you think you, as the biggest military and economic (for now) super power in the world, are some kind of victim, and that we, lil' ol' Canada, are your bully.

Feel sorry for little ole Canada unable to continue freely riping off the US in trade and pressured to pay for its own defense.

I am still puzzled why you seem to think Canada has any leverage to force the US to put up with trade practices that violate the MCA treaty. The prize is access to US markets. We now have a President that puts America first.

 

[Fearandloathing]

RING!

American Bridge- "Hello, Stelco? We'd like to order 24 tons of 1/2" mild steel plate, please."
Stelco- "Sorry, the Canadian Government says we can't sell you any more steel until a Canadian company buys $18M worth of something from an American company!"

Is that how you think it should work?


Your boy Trump tore up NAFTA, negotiated a new deal, signed the new deal, bragged about dictating the terms of the new deal, and now he's torn that one up too. Put tariffs on when there was a trade agreement between us that HE made.
No deal with the USA is worth a pinch of coon shit. America's word is worthless.
Canada's new deal- The USA can KMA!

Even better...

GFY.

Next time you need to close American airspace call Moscow.

 

[OlNate]

You don't reject reciprocal trade agreements as long as Canada benefits disportionately.

Why would you say that? It's super lame to assume positions and put words in people's mouths, bud, very hackish.

Also, I noticed you glossed over the part where you guys had USMCA violations. Why?

World burning is Greta Thunberg level hyperbole. Canada doesn’t get a free pass.

How is that even a response to what you were referring to?

Say whatever you wish. It's no excuse for continuing to mistreat the US in trade.

Again, you glossed over your own violations. Why?

Poor Canada, expected to pay their own way as a NATO member.

Poor America, richest, most powerful country in the world sobbing their dear little hearts out over a trade agreement that Trump said was the best ever created.

Feel sorry for little ole Canada unable to continue freely riping off the US in trade and pressured to pay for its own defense.

I know it's tough to be wrong, but it feels better when you admit it.

I am still puzzled why you seem to think Canada has any leverage to force the US to put up with trade practices that violate the MCA treaty. The prize is access to US markets. We now have a President that puts America first.

I am still puzzled why you feel like you belong on an intellectual debate forum when you haven't responded to anything I've said with any intelligence whatsoever.

Anyway, that's for playing along and confirming the stereotype. You got nothing. Which is why your own country despises you and why it will turn it's back on maga.

 

[Fearandloathing]

You don't reject reciprocal trade agreements as long as Canada benefits disportionately.

World burning is Greta Thunberg level hyperbole. Canada doesn’t get a free pass.

Say whatever you wish. It's no excuse for continuing to mistreat the US in trade.

Poor Canada, expected to pay their own way as a NATO member.

Feel sorry for little ole Canada unable to continue freely riping off the US in trade and pressured to pay for its own defense.

I am still puzzled why you seem to think Canada has any leverage to force the US to put up with trade practices that violate the MCA treaty. The prize is access to US markets. We now have a President that puts America first.

Let's have an example where Canada has failed to "respect" a trade agreement.

IF you manage to find one I have a fe hundred by Trump alone.

Look in the mirror before you accuse.

 

[AZRWinger]

Why would you say that? It's super lame to assume positions and put words in people's mouths, bud, very hackish.

Your false criticism makes me wonder why you are constantly resorting to the tactic of strawman claims.

Also, I noticed you glossed over the part where you guys had USMCA violations. Why?

Crude attempt ar diversion

How is that even a response to what you were referring to?

Try writing a serious response instead of hyperbole.

Again, you glossed over your own violations. Why?

Playing the victim again. Why?

Poor America, richest, most powerful country in the world sobbing their dear little hearts out over a trade agreement that Trump said was the best ever created.


I know it's tough to be wrong, but it feels better when you admit it.

Take your own admonition to heart.

I am still puzzled why you feel like you belong on an intellectual debate forum when you haven't responded to anything I've said with any intelligence whatsoever.

Considering your primitive understanding of the issues it's no surprise you resort to insults in place of reasoned discussion.

Anyway, that's for playing along and confirming the stereotype. You got nothing. Which is why your own country despises you and why it will turn it's back on maga.

There it is the same crude attempt at insult from someone who defends Canada breaking the MCA treaty and NATO treaty as well while childishly trying to rationalize the bad behavior of your home country.

 

[OlNate]

Your false criticism makes me wonder why you are constantly resorting to the tactic of strawman claims.

Crude attempt ar diversion


Try writing a serious response instead of hyperbole.

Playing the victim again. Why?

Take your own admonition to heart.

Considering your primitive understanding of the issues it's no surprise you resort to insults in place of reasoned discussion.

There it is the same crude attempt at insult from someone who defends Canada breaking the MCA treaty and NATO treaty as well while childishly trying to rationalize the bad behavior of your home country.

Cool story, nice chat.

 

[BirdinHand]

The MCA treaty was a major accomplishment 5 years ago. But, like any other treaty it's not carved in stone. The march of reform continues

You don’t negotiate by punching your friend in the face.

It doesn’t tend to go well.

 

[upsideguy]

Being an allied country isn't a guarantee they do not have unfair anti-US trade restrictions. For example Canada enjoys a $65 billion trade surplus with the US. Turns out ally Canada fails to meet its NATO defense spending target. That's two good reasons to look at out trade agreements with ally Canada. No bullying involved.

"In 2024, the United States had a goods trade deficit with 92 countries and a surplus with 111 countries. Overall, it ran a $1.2 trillion trade-in-goods deficit that year."

The U.S. Trade Balance with Every Country | The Motley Fool

The latest data on the U.S. trade in goods surplus and deficits by country.

www.fool.com

The linked article contains an exhaustive list of nations with the net trade balance for each nation.

Idiotic.... a trade deficit is not an unfair trade practice. When wealth is created within a country and spent elsewhere it creates a trade deficit. We are always going to have trade deficits with poor countries as they have lower of standards of living. They produce goods cheaply, but can not afford our goods. We buy from them because we can..... we get goods at a good price.

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The U.S. Trade Deficit: How Much Does It Matter?

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www.cfr.org

Trade Deficits Explained

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If you want to make relevant and pertinent comments, perhaps a good "Introduction to Economics" at your local community college will lower your blood pressure, increase your understanding and improve your posts. When you go, take Trump with you.... I don't believe we have ever had an American president with such poor command of the fundamentals of economics.

 

[AZRWinger]

Let's have an example where Canada has failed to "respect" a trade agreement.

IF you manage to find one I have a fe hundred by Trump alone.

Look in the mirror before you accuse.

Canada was reserving low duty allocations for domestic dairy producers meaning US dairy products exporters were forced to pay higher tariffs. In response to the US complaint the USMCA panel ruled Canada was in violation of the treaty.

United States Prevails in USMCA Dispute on Canadian Dairy Restrictions

United States Prevails in USMCA Dispute on Canadian Dairy Restrictions

ustr.gov

I look forward to your list of no less than 200, a few hundred, USMCA US treaty violations under the Trump administration adjudicated by a panel of course.