Trump's EPA is attacking the Green New Deal

[Jay59]

Trump signed several executive orders during his first week in office. Pursuant to those, his recently approved Administrator Lee Zeldin announced 31 actions to overhaul how the EPA does its business.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/lee-zeldin-epa-ends-the-green-new-deal-aa81de06?st=UpGW4p

The EPA will continue to protect human health and the environment while unleashing America’s full potential. That means reconsidering the regulations that have restricted every sector of the economy, such as the illegal Clean Power Plan 2.0, Mercury and Air Toxics Standards, and Particulate Matter 2.5 levels. Under President Trump’s guidance, the EPA also has ended the electric-vehicle mandate that threatened to destroy America’s auto industry and made cars cost more. ...​

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Our work to end Good Neighbor Plan emission requirements and work in partnership with the 19 states whose air-quality plans were rejected by the previous administration recognizes that states and communities know best how to address their environmental challenges. Today marks the death of the Green New Scam.​

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It's a massive reassessment of rules and regulations, designed to continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate control-through-regulation of industries like coal, power generation, and refining. In particular, it removes most actions designed to control greenhouse gas emissions.

 

[Slavister]

Yes, anti-science President does what we expected.

"... continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate ..." anything of value for that core mandate.

 

[Greenbeard]

Sweet.

What is the ‘good neighbor’ rule?
The EPA adopted the rule as a way to protect downwind states that receive unwanted air pollution from other states. Besides the potential health impacts from out-of-state pollution, many states face their own federal deadlines to ensure clean air.

States such as Wisconsin, New York and Connecticut said they struggle to meet federal standards and reduce harmful levels of ozone because of pollution from out-of-state power plants, cement kilns and natural gas pipelines that drift across their borders.

Ground-level ozone, commonly known as smog, forms when industrial pollutants emitted by cars, power plants, refineries and other sources chemically react in the presence of sunlight. High ozone levels can cause respiratory problems, including asthma and chronic bronchitis. People with compromised immune systems, the elderly and children playing outdoors are particularly vulnerable.

Judith Vale, New York’s deputy solicitor general, told the court that for some states, as much as 65% of smog pollution comes from outside its borders.

States that contribute to ground-level ozone must submit plans ensuring that coal-fired power plants and other industrial sites do not add significantly to air pollution in other states. In cases where a state has not submitted a “good neighbor” plan — or where EPA disapproves a state plan — a federal plan is supposed to ensure downwind states are protected.

Make America Asthmatic Again.

 

[Ikari]

Man, someone wants to pollute a lot. Maybe Trump's mad our rivers don't catch on fire anymore.

 

[Lursa]

Yes, anti-science President does what we expected.

"... continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate ..." anything of value for that core mandate.

Yeah, I knew that was coming when he campaigned, it was perfectly clear. Just like his lies during his SOU lecture last week where he kept saying he was protecting American lives and health and futures.

Even RFK would be against this...but now he's muzzled.

 

[Jay59]

Yes, anti-science President does what we expected.

"... continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate ..." anything of value for that core mandate.

The core mandate is clean air, water, and soil. I can get behind that.

It does not extend to seeking bankrupt coal miners, eliminating fossil fuels, or mandating electric vehicles.

Man, someone wants to pollute a lot.

Since the idea is to focus on eliminating pollution, that does not follow.

Maybe Trump's mad our rivers don't catch on fire anymore.

Trump wants clean water.

What he does not want is taxpayer dollars trying to eliminate greenhouse gasses. That's not the EPA's job.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Trump signed several executive orders during his first week in office. Pursuant to those, his recently approved Administrator Lee Zeldin announced 31 actions to overhaul how the EPA does its business.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/lee-zeldin-epa-ends-the-green-new-deal-aa81de06?st=UpGW4p

The EPA will continue to protect human health and the environment while unleashing America’s full potential. That means reconsidering the regulations that have restricted every sector of the economy, such as the illegal Clean Power Plan 2.0, Mercury and Air Toxics Standards, and Particulate Matter 2.5 levels. Under President Trump’s guidance, the EPA also has ended the electric-vehicle mandate that threatened to destroy America’s auto industry and made cars cost more. ...​

​

Our work to end Good Neighbor Plan emission requirements and work in partnership with the 19 states whose air-quality plans were rejected by the previous administration recognizes that states and communities know best how to address their environmental challenges. Today marks the death of the Green New Scam.​

​

It's a massive reassessment of rules and regulations, designed to continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate control-through-regulation of industries like coal, power generation, and refining. In particular, it removes most actions designed to control greenhouse gas emissions.

Just some information on pollution:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pollution-by-country

According to the above chart the top 5 air (greenhouse gas) polluters are (in order 1st - 5th): China 15,682 metric tons of greenhouse gases. USA 6,017 metric tons, India 3,943 metric tons, Russia 2,580, Brazil 1,311. China produces more greenhouse gas emissions than the USA, India, Russia, and Brazil combined.

China is also the #1 again, this time of the top ten plastic polluters. Beating out the USA (2), India (3), and Brazil (4) combined.

At least the USA tries to do something about our pollution production. China doesn't even try.

 

[Visbek]

Trump signed several executive orders during his first week in office. Pursuant to those, his recently approved Administrator Lee Zeldin announced 31 actions to overhaul how the EPA does its business.

Did you really miss how the Green New Deal never got beyond a proposal?

It's also abundantly clear that this administration is engaging, yet again, in Orwellian bullshit. Zeldin has no interest in protecting either Americans or the environment. He wants to eviscerate regulations on industry, no matter how much harm that causes.

 

[Slavister]

The core mandate is clean air, water, and soil. I can get behind that.

He is removing regulations designed to keep clean air and water.

It does not extend to seeking bankrupt coal miners, eliminating fossil fuels, or mandating electric vehicles.

Protecting human health includes protecting it from global warming.

Since the idea is to focus on eliminating pollution, that does not follow.

Huh

Trump wants clean water.

No, he wants more money and if that means dirtier water for companies that lobby him to dump their crap in water, he will gladly go for it.

What he does not want is taxpayer dollars trying to eliminate greenhouse gasses. That's not the EPA's job.

What makes you think it's not EPA job? Whose job is it?

 

[Theowl32]

Good...

The left puppets that post here...the history of the globalist climate grift.

The 1960s...the earth will run out of oil in 10 years.

The 1970s..the world earth will turn into Antarctica in 10 years.

1980s...acid rain will destroy the world's crops within 10 years.

1990s...a big gigantic mythical hole in the ozone will cause the glaciers to melt within 10 years.

Now it's climate change which means everything and anything that happens from earthquakes to meteors coming close to earth is because of the free market that they call fascism cause they are muppets.

Meanwhile don't a damn thing. ALL FREE TO LIVE AS THE AMISH IF THEY ARE REALLY SO CONCERNED.

Not one of them complain or point out or care about their heroes flying around everywhere in private jets and motoring across the oceans in giant 300ft yachts with gigantic diesel engines.

If the left weren't hypocrites, they would not be leftists. If their baboon voters weren't their puppets they would acknowledge one actual fact.

Just ignore them...

 

[US&THEM]

Love how states are being enabled to make their own decisions for what is best for their state, well unless a boy plays volleyball against girls.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Trump signed several executive orders during his first week in office. Pursuant to those, his recently approved Administrator Lee Zeldin announced 31 actions to overhaul how the EPA does its business.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/lee-zeldin-epa-ends-the-green-new-deal-aa81de06?st=UpGW4p

The EPA will continue to protect human health and the environment while unleashing America’s full potential. That means reconsidering the regulations that have restricted every sector of the economy, such as the illegal Clean Power Plan 2.0, Mercury and Air Toxics Standards, and Particulate Matter 2.5 levels. Under President Trump’s guidance, the EPA also has ended the electric-vehicle mandate that threatened to destroy America’s auto industry and made cars cost more. ...​

​

Our work to end Good Neighbor Plan emission requirements and work in partnership with the 19 states whose air-quality plans were rejected by the previous administration recognizes that states and communities know best how to address their environmental challenges. Today marks the death of the Green New Scam.​

​

It's a massive reassessment of rules and regulations, designed to continue EPA's core mandate but eliminate control-through-regulation of industries like coal, power generation, and refining. In particular, it removes most actions designed to control greenhouse gas emissions.

Because it's over regulation by climate chaos promoters.
I highly recommend people read, Apocalypse Never, by Michael Shellenberger. It clears up lots of the foggy areas surrounding environmental regulations that are overblown.
Here's an example of how exaggeration rules the day for the climate extremist.
In a June 2019 article by the Associated Press the following claims were reported.
Governments"have a ten-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effects before it goes beyond human control," said the U.N. official. That senior U.N. official claimed that if global warming wasn't reversed by 2030, then rising sea levels could wipe "entire nations off the face of the Earth." He continued, "crop failures coupled with coastal flloding could provoke an exodus of 'eco-refugees, whose movements could wreak political shaos the world over. The ice caps will melt away, the rainforests will buen and the world will warmn to unbearable temperatures." But the problem is the Associated Press was quoting a warning from 1989, not 2019. Furthermore, the cataclysmic events the U.N. official predicted were for the year 2000, not 2030.
p25. Apocalypse Never.

This half truth, exaggeration, and pure conjecture seem to be popular among the Climate Change community. The "models" used are best guesses using numbers dreamed up by climate change supporters who want to convince others that it's serious, and doing so makes lying just fine.

Michael Shellenberger is a Time Magizine, "Hero of the Environment", winner of the 2008 Green Book Award frm the Stevens Institute of Technology's Center for Science Writings and and invited expert reviewer of the next Assessment Report for the Intergovernmental Panel on Clmate Change (IPCC). He is also the founder and President of Environmental Progress, an independent, nonpartisan reseach organization based in Berkeley, California.

 

[Lursa]

Because it's over regulation by climate chaos promoters.
I highly recommend people read, Apocalypse Never, by Michael Shellenberger. It clears up lots of the foggy areas surrounding environmental regulations that are overblown.
Here's an example of how exaggeration rules the day for the climate extremist.
In a June 2019 article by the Associated Press the following claims were reported.
Governments"have a ten-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effects before it goes beyond human control," said the U.N. official. That senior U.N. official claimed that if global warming wasn't reversed by 2030, then rising sea levels could wipe "entire nations off the face of the Earth." He continued, "crop failures coupled with coastal flloding could provoke an exodus of 'eco-refugees, whose movements could wreak political shaos the world over. The ice caps will melt away, the rainforests will buen and the world will warmn to unbearable temperatures." But the problem is the Associated Press was quoting a warning from 1989, not 2019. Furthermore, the cataclysmic events the U.N. official predicted were for the year 2000, not 2030.
p25. Apocalypse Never.

This half truth, exaggeration, and pure conjecture seem to be popular among the Climate Change community. The "models" used are best guesses using numbers dreamed up by climate change supporters who want to convince others that it's serious, and doing so makes lying just fine.

Michael Shellenberger is a Time Magizine, "Hero of the Environment", winner of the 2008 Green Book Award frm the Stevens Institute of Technology's Center for Science Writings and and invited expert reviewer of the next Assessment Report for the Intergovernmental Panel on Clmate Change (IPCC). He is also the founder and President of Environmental Progress, an independent, nonpartisan reseach organization based in Berkeley, California.

The EPA, many of the regulations and programs/Acts, and its purpose were created decades ago, before investments in climate change. It was national in scope, not global. Your view, and probably knowledge, is exceedingly limited.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I'm all for it

 

[Greenbeard]

1980s...acid rain will destroy the world's crops within 10 years.

Fixed with public policy.

The U.S. Sulphur Dioxide Cap and Trade Programme and Lessons for Climate Policy

The sulphur dioxide (SO2) allowance-trading programme established under Title IV of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) was the world’s first large-scale pollutant cap-and-trade system. ('Allowance trading' and 'cap-and-trade' are synonymous.) The stated purpose of the Acid Rain Program was...

www.hks.harvard.edu

1990s...a big gigantic mythical hole in the ozone will cause the glaciers to melt within 10 years.

Fixed with public policy.

Study: The ozone hole is healing, thanks to global reduction of CFCs

An MIT-led study confirms the Antarctic ozone layer is healing as a direct result of global efforts to reduce ozone-depleting substances.

news.mit.edu

 

[j brown's body]

This is probably why he wants Canada and Greenland. As global warming makes the south inhabitable, white folks can move north.

Maybe he better focus on building a wall along Canada's border.

 

[j brown's body]

I'm all for it

When the argument is because it's following the law, look out. Laws won't neccesarily protect us. That's the case here.

 

[NOLA Dude]

This is probably why he wants Canada and Greenland. As global warming makes the south inhabitable, white folks can move north.

Race baiting like you are Al Sharpton

Maybe he better focus on building a wall along Canada's border.

That's so funny

 

[NOLA Dude]

When the argument is because it's following the law, look out. Laws won't neccesarily protect us. That's the case here.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Slavister]

The left puppets that post here...the history of the globalist climate grift.
...
1980s...acid rain will destroy the world's crops within 10 years.

Fixed with public policy.

The U.S. Sulphur Dioxide Cap and Trade Programme and Lessons for Climate Policy

The sulphur dioxide (SO2) allowance-trading programme established under Title IV of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) was the world’s first large-scale pollutant cap-and-trade system. ('Allowance trading' and 'cap-and-trade' are synonymous.) The stated purpose of the Acid Rain Program was...

www.hks.harvard.edu

OWNED

1990s...a big gigantic mythical hole in the ozone will cause the glaciers to melt within 10 years.

Fixed with public policy.

Study: The ozone hole is healing, thanks to global reduction of CFCs

An MIT-led study confirms the Antarctic ozone layer is healing as a direct result of global efforts to reduce ozone-depleting substances.

news.mit.edu

OWNED

 

[Slavister]

The core mandate is clean air, water, and soil. I can get behind that.

Get behind this:

"The Trump administration announced its intent to roll back ... including rules that target pollution from vehicles and power plants, in a major blow to America’s progress on clean air, clean water and climate action."

"The Environmental Protection Agency announced it will undo rules that would have pushed power plants and carmakers toward cleaner forms of energy. It also intends to roll back rules on soot, mercury and coal ash pollution, as well as the so-called “good neighbor rule” that regulates downwind air pollution"

Cleetus called it “a horrific day” for people suffering from the burden of air and water pollution.

source

 

[Hamish Howl]

..the history of the globalist climate grift.

Jooz?

 

[Jay59]

Did you really miss how the Green New Deal never got beyond a proposal?

That's on par with claiming Project 2025 is just a proposal.

It's also abundantly clear that this administration is engaging, yet again, in Orwellian bullshit.

This requires quite a bit of defense.

Lay out your argument, stating the evidence first, and overcoming the rule that the statute marks the limits of authority.

Zeldin has no interest in protecting either Americans or the environment.

Your opinion is not evidence.

He wants to eviscerate regulations on industry, no matter how much harm that causes.

So far all he has done is gone after over-extensions of the underlying law.

Clean air and water are exactly what the statute asks for.

He is removing regulations designed to keep clean air and water.

Look more closely.

Protecting human health includes protecting it from global warming.

Not for the EPA.

Its job is to ensure clean air and water. Climate change is outside their purview.

No, he wants more money and if that means dirtier water for companies that lobby him to dump their crap in water, he will gladly go for it.

Show the evidence.

I see a lot of unsupported opinions and no evidence.

What makes you think it's not EPA job? Whose job is it?

Good question but it is not the EPA.

Talk to Congress. Have them set up a GHG Agency.

Because it's over regulation by climate chaos promoters. I highly recommend people read, Apocalypse Never, by Michael Shellenberger. It clears up lots of the foggy areas surrounding environmental regulations that are overblown.

As that may be, it's beside the point.

It isn't the EPA's job.

Here's an example of how exaggeration rules the day for the climate extremist.

In a June 2019 article by the Associated Press the following claims were reported.
Governments"have a ten-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effects before it goes beyond human control," said the U.N. official. That senior U.N. official claimed that if global warming wasn't reversed by 2030, then rising sea levels could wipe "entire nations off the face of the Earth." He continued, "crop failures coupled with coastal flloding could provoke an exodus of 'eco-refugees, whose movements could wreak political shaos the world over. The ice caps will melt away, the rainforests will buen and the world will warmn to unbearable temperatures." But the problem is the Associated Press was quoting a warning from 1989, not 2019. Furthermore, the cataclysmic events the U.N. official predicted were for the year 2000, not 2030.
p25. Apocalypse Never.

Not relevant and there is a forum for that.

This half truth, exaggeration, and pure conjecture seem to be popular among the Climate Change community. The "models" used are best guesses using numbers dreamed up by climate change supporters who want to convince others that it's serious, and doing so makes lying just fine. Michael Shellenberger is a Time Magizine, "Hero of the Environment", winner of the 2008 Green Book Award frm the Stevens Institute of Technology's Center for Science Writings and and invited expert reviewer of the next Assessment Report for the Intergovernmental Panel on Clmate Change (IPCC). He is also the founder and President of Environmental Progress, an independent, nonpartisan reseach organization based in Berkeley, California.

Cool.

Get behind this: "The Trump administration announced its intent to roll back ... including rules that target pollution from vehicles and power plants, in a major blow to America’s progress on clean air, clean water and climate action. The Environmental Protection Agency announced it will undo rules that would have pushed power plants and carmakers toward cleaner forms of energy. It also intends to roll back rules on soot, mercury and coal ash pollution, as well as the so-called “good neighbor rule” that regulates downwind air pollution"

Cleetus called it “a horrific day” for people suffering from the burden of air and water pollution.

Your citation gives the reason this is inappropriate.

This is usually called regulatory overreach.

 

[Slavister]

Good question but it is not the EPA.

I asked you what makes you think this is not EPA job. You never answered.

Clearly, EPA thinks it IS its job.

 

[Jay59]

I asked you what makes you think this is not EPA job. You never answered.

I did answer. The empowering statute did not include it in the EPA's responsibilities.

The concept is called overreach, with several synonyms.

Clearly, EPA thinks it IS its job.

Hence the overhaul and talk of fraud.