• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump's capitulation to China shows a valuable lesson for those he bullies (1 Viewer)

j brown's body

"A Soros-backed animal"
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 18, 2018
Messages
74,226
Reaction score
76,790
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
"When President Donald Trump launched his trade war on the world, he issued a stern warning: “Do not retaliate and you will be rewarded.” China ignored the warning. It was rewarded anyway. This morning, Trump largely suspended his trade war in return for nothing but promises of ongoing discussions. There is a lesson here for everybody Trump threatens, whether countries or businesses or universities.

...As an exercise in trade policy, this makes no sense. But to treat Trump’s behavior as if it were narrowly tailored to the objective of reordering global trade misses the symbolic role it plays. Trump is performing a character, the presidential version of the boss he played in The Apprentice, sitting in a plush leather chair doling out justice to quavering supplicants. His threats of conquest against Canada, Greenland, and Panama, and his unilateral renaming of the Gulf of Mexico, advance no practical objective. Indeed, they generate resentment that weakens his leverage over those countries.

...This makes for an unusual style of governing, to say the least, and even a decade into the Trump era, the president’s targets often respond with confusion. But the evidence suggests a fairly clear pattern: Although Trump instructs his targets to submit, doing so merely sets them up for more humiliation and abuse. The genuinely complicated factor in these negotiations is that “winning” with Trump is often impossible, becauseo the relationship itself is lose-lose. Trump does not appear to recognize the possibility of a positive-sum engagement, and his attempts to turn a productive connection into an exploitative one create losses for both sides. This is most obvious in trade, where Trump’s protectionist instincts have spread pain around the globe without generating any gains. His extortion of domestic firms and civil society has likewise undermined some of America’s most admired sources of innovation, for no offsetting benefit other than the expansion of Trump’s own power.

Trump is a classic bully who craves submission and fears conflict. His fervent supporters want him to be Michael Corleone, but he’s more like Biff Tannen. Standing up to Trump does not mean that you win. But giving in guarantees that you lose."

Link
 
.

If only all the world were Trumpco customers...


.
 
Trump folded, It was a beat down by the good guys, China.
 
Contrarian take, but I don't think Trump folded. I think he paused. Big difference.
 
The real message is .....throw me any scrap and I'll impose 10%. Trade deficits, repatriation of production and artificial barriers be dammed.
 
Contrarian take, but I don't think Trump folded. I think he paused. Big difference.
Yes, it seems this is how his admin will work. He'll feed us all bullshit in 90 day increments for the rest of his term.
 
The real message is .....throw me any scrap and I'll impose 10%. Trade deficits, repatriation of production and artificial barriers be dammed.

10% is here to stay as long as he and like-minded people are in power. He's done with free trade. The trade that exists between specific countries is to be worked out. The 10% is there to be the permanent reminder that we live in the post-free trade era.
 
Yes, it seems this is how his admin will work. He'll feed us all bullshit in 90 day increments for the rest of his term.

I, like you, am skeptical that we can abandon free trade in this manner. I will say, however, that there might be more strategic thinking within the WH than I gave it credit for. I don't know whether it's more reactive or proactive. It seems more reactive, honestly, but the point is, there is some moderating force within the WH. I am guessing that Bessent is becoming a more dominant force in Trump's inner orbit. Musk is already more or less gone, and Navarro seems muted, so that probably means that Bessent is the Cohn/Mnuchin of Trump 2.0
 
I, like you, am skeptical that we can abandon free trade in this manner. I will say, however, that there might be more strategic thinking within the WH than I gave it credit for. I don't know whether it's more reactive or proactive. It seems more reactive, honestly, but the point is, there is some moderating force within the WH. I am guessing that Bessent is becoming a more dominant force in Trump's inner orbit. Musk is already more or less gone, and Navarro seems muted, so that probably means that Bessent is the Cohn/Mnuchin of Trump 2.0
Yeah, he still has to sell his soul but he might be halfway competent.
 
Yeah, all these tariff fiascos has shown it's pretty easy to get what you want from Trump. He will always fold.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom