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Trump Voters: Behold your success

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If you voted for Trump (or a Republican congressional member) and your household makes less than 70,000 dollars a year, I just want you to understand that you just voted to increase your taxes.

Or rather, in your name, your congress members just voted for it, and Trump will sign it. I just want you to understand that your president candidate lied to you when he told you cared about you, he lied to you when he said he understood your problems, and he lied to you when he told you he wasn't part of the establishment. It's not a secret on this forum that I don't like Democrats, but the Trump tax cuts will cut trillions from Medicare/Medicaid (something you paid into but will see much, much less of now), it will make it exponentially harder for your children to get a good education and now unless you are personally very wealthy, your children will never get access to higher education, especially in good industries right now like science and technology. And within a decade or sooner, it will increase your taxes, just so that rich people can have theirs lowered.

Trump isn't a part of the media establishment, but the Republican party bow down and kiss the feet of their rich lords. In Trump's case though, he just stands to make hundreds of millions of dollars, at your expense, personally, so he doesn't even need donors to influence his decisions. Trump is a rich lord who wants to see you hovel before him without dignity. Everything for him and his friends, and nothing for you. That's what Trump represents, that's what Trump cares about.
 
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My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.

The tax plan will increase my take home.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
 
Well one thing for sure Returdicans that cry that a bill was done behind closed doors in the middle of the night can kiss my f....g a.... I watched this charade where portions of this bill were handwritten and you could not even read it. Returdicans did show us one thing they don't cozy up to the 1% they get right in there..

 
code1211 said:
My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.

The tax plan will increase my take home.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
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You have to use critical thinking skills to figure out why cutting taxes on the rich creates a huge revenue hole. A hole that is then filled with revenue from the middle class or paid for by reducing services and benefits to the Middle Class.
 
code1211 said:
My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.
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What are you talking about, that's the national average.

The tax plan will increase my take home.
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Your take-home income will increase, right now. By 2019, it will go right back to what it was. In the 2020's, you will see a tax increase. Which will happen in order to ensure that multi-millionaires can have theirs lowered. You will literally be taking money out of your pocket and handing it to rich people.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
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It's explained in the OP. If you didn't understand it, read it again.
 

- Possibly and possibly not. It will depend on the details of your tax return. Someone demonstrated that in an earlier thread.
- If you decide to drop coverage because the penalty for having none, it gives you more freedom. If you're stupid, that can come back to bite.
- What you pay for yourself, you value more and work harder at. If you are really good, the university will often pay. If not, take out a loan. You stand to make much more money, if you don't study something that doesn't pay.

Nope. There are ways to criticise it, but those are not them.
 

By using the blanket statement it is my sense that it you that lied. Start with the fact a fair amount of people not only do not pay ANY federal tax but actually receive something called the earned income tax credit. Then note that the standard deduction has risen, since most people in the bracket you mentioned do not itemize the raise in the standard deduction helps these people the most.The elinination of the state and local tax deduction will hurt the uber rich, many of whom live high tax states like NY,Calif,Ct etc.

Sad that so few people understand the specifics of what this site talks about, else this OP would be derided by many.
 
code1211 said:
My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.

The tax plan will increase my take home.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
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Someone else was saying the same thing earlier in the day. You're probably right. But partisan folks cannot admit that.
 

If that is true, then the Repubs will be slaughtered in 2018. Be happy. Blame Democrats if you really believe your post. If anyone else except HC has been the nomineee, a Dem would have won hands down. The Dems NEVER should have run her. To choose a candidate based on political payback is a very stupid thing to do, especially if the name is Hillary Clinton. Had Bernie been treated fairly by the DNC, there’s a very good chance he would have beaten HC. I and many others would have been HAPPY to vote for him over Trump.
 
Winston said:
You have to use critical thinking skills to figure out why cutting taxes on the rich creates a huge revenue hole. A hole that is then filled with revenue from the middle class or paid for by reducing services and benefits to the Middle Class.
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There are tens of millions of people in our country who would be DELIGHTED to see that happen.
 

We don't really know yet, what the impact on the economy two or three years out will be. It's too new to have crunched the numbers.
 
MaggieD said:
There are tens of millions of people in our country who would be DELIGHTED to see that happen.
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A wealth transfer to those who don't need any more, and reduced benefits to the middle class?

Maggie, I make <$20,000 a year. I'm on Medicaid. If I lose healthcare so that, Trump can keep more of his billions, how it that fair? Was Trump ever in danger of losing health coverage?
 
Winston said:
You have to use critical thinking skills to figure out why cutting taxes on the rich creates a huge revenue hole. A hole that is then filled with revenue from the middle class or paid for by reducing services and benefits to the Middle Class.
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I should hope we are smart enough to equalise the gap by slashing the supply of private goods and social transfers
 

but ... but ... but ... Trump himself will not benefit from the tax cut. didn't you hear him say that????? :doh:roll:
 

Winston, could you point me to why you will lose healthcare on Medicaid because of this tax bill?
 
code1211 said:
My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.

The tax plan will increase my take home.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
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Most liberals are shills for lobbying groups. For example the homebuilders association has been pissing and moaning non-stop about how people with mortgages over $500k will lose the interest deductions over that amount. The average value of a home in the U.S. is about $310k. It's just liberals pissing and moaning about how the super wealthy are going to wind up paying more but claiming the bill will hurt the poor and middle class.

Remember it was Hillary who gave multiple closed door speeches to wealthy banks, not Trump. It was Hillary who got a slew of corporate endorsements and sponsorships, not Trump. Trump is fighting for the average American while most liberals are champions of the 1%
 
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They will only be slaughtered if the MSM tells the virtual truth. A controlled narrative will be presented that has wonderful sound bytes, but presents a view favorable to the purchasers of the MSM advertising space. That's Capitalism, excuse me, CORPORATISM in the USA. If Trump/Repubs cared about citizens, they would improve SS, they would improve HealthCare, They would address Global Warming, They would end military adventures and spending, and those are just the tip of the iceberg. MAGA means moving backwards a hundred years to functional "robber baron" times and screw the rest.
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Wait. The media always tells the truth. Right?
 
MaggieD said:
Wait. The media always tells the truth. Right?
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Actually, I think RT must have been getting too close to the truth and that is why attemps are being organized to shut them up. "Censorship by any other name would smell the same." Take a good look at the Alternat Media list and you will see the next targets for censorship. Some are full of crap. Some of full of uncomfortable truths. It is the citizens job to decide, not the governments.
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Winston said:
You have to use critical thinking skills to figure out why cutting taxes on the rich creates a huge revenue hole. A hole that is then filled with revenue from the middle class or paid for by reducing services and benefits to the Middle Class.
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The problem with you libruls is that you think economics is a zero sum game. All previous tax cuts generated an increase in revenue. The last one as far reaching as this one, the Reagan tax cuts, generated a near doubling in tax revenue.
 
code1211 said:
My income is embarrassingly low. about $60K.

The tax plan will increase my take home.

I really don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
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60k is embarassingly low? What I couldn't do with 60k....
 
MaggieD said:
Winston, could you point me to why you will lose healthcare on Medicaid because of this tax bill?
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As I understand it they are cutting Medicaid. And I'm covered under the expansion of Medicaid provision within the ACA. If they mess with that, I lose my healthcare.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The problem with you libruls is that you think economics is a zero sum game. All previous tax cuts generated an increase in revenue. The last one as far reaching as this one, the Reagan tax cuts, generated a near doubling in tax revenue.
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Revenue always climbs but Reagan's revenue as a % of GDP was actually a few points lower than under a high tax policy under Bill Clinton. Reagan also doubled the deficit and had to raise taxes when revenue didn't match expectations.

Sorry man, you believe in lies. I got my facts straight you should start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
 
Winston said:
You have to use critical thinking skills to figure out why cutting taxes on the rich creates a huge revenue hole. A hole that is then filled with revenue from the middle class or paid for by reducing services and benefits to the Middle Class.
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Critical thinking has led me to believe that my 401 K is going through the the roof.

That is likely the result of only the thought of tax reform and regulatory restraint as it is reflected in the habits of investors.

Also, there are more Americans holding jobs right now than at any point in American history, the Unemployment rate is at historic lows, the wage rate is up, Housing starts are up, Consumer optimism is at historic highs, GDP is moving along at a very good rate of increase and, as a little kicker, the run up in the stock markets has created about $6 TRILLION in added personal wealth for American Citizens.

The interesting myopia of Liberals is that they delight in hearing Obama declare eloquently that regressive losing is our honor and the new American heritage.

They also cringe as Trump declares brashly that we ain't seen nothin' yet, the best is yet to come and we're just going to keep on winning.

What's wrong with Liberals that makes them delight in losing?

Whatever it is, their delight is apparent at all levels of elected office across the country.
 
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