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You must remember but the most important issue should be making sure Article 2 Section 1 has not been violated. Article 2 Section 1 is paramount to the national security of our country.
It hasn't. If it had, the FBI would have easily found out when they vetted him at the time he ran for President, which is standard procedure.
Not that it will end this nonsense because birfers are like zombies who can't be killed, but Dr. Fukino put the final nail in the birfer coffin.
The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
And then the spokesman for Hawaii's attorney general's office explains why Obama has not released the long form ...
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records. "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
Those rules are 30 years old and outdated. For example, it states, "Standard copies of vital records may be prepared by photographic, dry copy reproduction process, or by typing."Hawaii lied about this yesterday. This is such a load of BS it’s not even funny. The claim of the AG’s spokesperson that HI law does not authorize photocopies to be made is absolutely absurd.
HRS 338-13 says:
Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]”
Furthermore, the HDOH Administrative Rules - which Fukino illegally hid until a year after the election was over (funny none of these reporters ask her about that little bit...) - says that a person can get a copy of EVEN THE CONFIDENTIAL PORTION OF THEIR LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON REQUEST. (See p 19 of the PDF at
http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8 8A B VR Admin Rules.pdf
Also if the Birth Certificate is on the first floor then why did Hawaii's new Governor Albercrombie say it may not exist and that he just only found a notation of something written in the archives?
I look forward to see the evidence you provide which proves Obama was a) legally adopted; and b) legally had his name changed.He was adopted by Lolo Soetero. In Hawaii name change after adoption is mandatory. His original birth certificate would have had the name Obama, his new birth certificate would have the name Soetero. Of course it would. The original birth certificate is completely replaced by the new certificate with the new name after an adoption.
Unless Barack Soetero legally changed his name his name is still Soetero. I'm not even sure if a legal name change changes the birth certificate itself. I do know an adoption does.
Those rules are 30 years old and outdated. For example, it states, "Standard copies of vital records may be prepared by photographic, dry copy reproduction process, or by typing."
That has since been replaced with §338-13:
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
Another obsolete rule from that document states applications for copies must be made in writing. Hawaiian's can now apply online to receive a copy.
But mostly, I noticed you ignored this part completely:
The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
There's a long form on file -- the only way that's possible is for Obama to have been born in Hawaii.
You do know that in 1961 Hawaii accepted foreign born births and gave them birth certificates? Also the Hawaii official lied. He said you couldn't get photocopies of your records. The law says otherwise as noted in the statutes. They flat out lied. Obama, if born in Hawaii is still not a natural born citizen.
Think about it: when the adoption went through, the law required Obama’s birth certificate to be changed to reflect his new name, which became, and remains, Barry Soetoro. So if Abercrombie went looking for anything in the Hall of Records with “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on it, he wouldn’t find anything besides those scribbled, handwritten notations in the archives (since those would not have been changed with the adoption, as who would have thought to do that?). The actual birth certificate says “Barry Soetoro” on it.
That’s why Abercrombie couldn’t locate it.
And why Obama won’t release it.
I look forward to see the evidence you provide which proves Obama was a) legally adopted; and b) legally had his name changed.
The fact is, the birth certificate controversy is only the beginning of the presidential mystery. There is so much we don’t know for certain about President Obama. Inexplicably but intriguigingly, he has failed to produce his bona fides, while the media (and the White House media in particular), who could ask for them, don’t care, or don’t want to care.
I culled from John’s affadavit what is undoubtedly an incomplete list of the Obama documents that we, the people, have just never gotten a look at due to Obama’s decision not to let us look.
Sure, there’s
(1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released
8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released. (These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released
That’s a lot of records sealed and not released. But there’s much more to “the case.” Read it and see what you as an American citizen think….
You dare me? Ok then. Well first of all, Obama's birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 due to his fathers British Nationality. That made him a dual citizen at birth and not a natural born citizen which the founders wanted as president in Article 2 Section 1. This was stated in a paragraph on Obama's own website Fight The Smears and FactCheck.org:Prove anything you just said.
I dare you.
You dare me? Ok then. Well first of all, Obama's birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 due to his fathers British Nationality. That made him a dual citizen at birth and not a natural born citizen which the founders wanted as president in Article 2 Section 1. This was stated in a paragraph on Obama's own website Fight The Smears and FactCheck.org:
"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
The last sentence says it all and kills any notion that Obama was born a natural born citizen with sole allegiance to the United States even while being born in Hawaii allegedly.
Now on the birth certificates. Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii.
1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
Apuzo, do you have a link for this material?
Yes.
CHAPTER 338
■§338-13 Certified copies
■§338-15 Late or altered certificates
■§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates
■§338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of State
■§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons
Also it is well known that they issue multiple certificates
Trump to meet with sponsor of Arizona ‘birther bill’ – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
This bloke will never, ever be president.
And I hope you're aware that such certificates identify the actual location of birth, not some random city in Hawaii. Obama's COLB identifies he was born in Honolulu. Had he been born somewhere else, it would state where that somewhere else was.You do know that in 1961 Hawaii accepted foreign born births and gave them birth certificates? Also the Hawaii official lied. He said you couldn't get photocopies of your records. The law says otherwise as noted in the statutes. They flat out lied. Obama, if born in Hawaii is still not a natural born citizen.
Oh? By what law? Keep in mind that within our government, it's generally accepted that he was born in Hawaii -- and knowing that, he's considered a natural born citizen.Obama, if born in Hawaii is still not a natural born citizen.
I see, so you have no evidence. That's so typical of birfers ... they just point out what they don't know -- never what they do know. And that's supposed to be strong enough evidence to suggest Obama is a fraud. :roll:He was adopted by Lolo Soetero. In Hawaii name change after adoption is mandatory. His original birth certificate would have had the name Obama, his new birth certificate would have the name Soetero. Of course it would. The original birth certificate is completely replaced by the new certificate with the new name after an adoption.
Unless Barack Soetero legally changed his name his name is still Soetero. I'm not even sure if a legal name change changes the birth certificate itself. I do know an adoption does.
I look forward to see the evidence you provide which proves Obama was a) legally adopted; and b) legally had his name changed.
Interesting about Soetero/Obama's records. . .
The fact is, the birth certificate controversy is only the beginning of the presidential mystery. There is so much we don’t know for certain about President Obama. Inexplicably but intriguigingly, he has failed to produce his bona fides, while the media (and the White House media in particular), who could ask for them, don’t care, or don’t want to care.
I culled from John’s affadavit what is undoubtedly an incomplete list of the Obama documents that we, the people, have just never gotten a look at due to Obama’s decision not to let us look.
Sure, there’s
(1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released
8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released. (These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released
That’s a lot of records sealed and not released. But there’s much more to “the case.” Read it and see what you as an American citizen think….
Obama’s Mysterious Past | Conservative Heritage Times
I see, so you have no evidence. That's so typical of birfers ... they just point out what they don't know -- never what they do know. And that's supposed to be strong enough evidence to suggest Obama is a fraud. :roll:
Allow me to highlight some points worth noting ...
You made the fallacious claim that Obama was adopted ... when I challenged you to prove that, your response was ... "Obama’s adoption records — sealed" ... Despite you claiming Obama was adopted, the only proof you offer that he really was, lies in a phony question into his non-existent adoption records. That's pretty low, even for a birfer. How about you prove there is an adoption record? You pulled the same stunt with his name change. Prove he ever had his name legally changed to Soetero...
That's what I said about Obama.
No, but the ratings on his TV show will skyrocket. I believe that this is what Trump was aiming for. He doesn't really want to be president. He is an attention whore.
Oh? By what law? Keep in mind that within our government, it's generally accepted that he was born in Hawaii -- and knowing that, he's considered a natural born citizen.
Ummm, there is no law anywhere in U.S. code stating that. Even worse for your argument is that in 2008 when Obama was running for president, everyone knew his father was a British subject and that Obama was born with dual citizenship. Despite that, he was still allowed to run and now allowed to serve as president. Therefore, you are wrong about the U.S. not considering people born with dual citizenships as natural born citizens."When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
The last sentence says it all and kills any notion that Obama was born a natural born citizen with sole allegiance to the United States even while being born in Hawaii allegedly.
Item (b) does not apply to Obama because late and delayed birth certificates are marked as such. Obama's is not. Item (c) does not apply to Obama because his birth records were filed 4 days after he was born.Now on the birth certificates. Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii.
1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
I see ... you're citing a law even though you don't know exactly how it read in 1961?? What can be assumed is that it didn't read exactly like the 1982 revision. Which means citing it is dishonest since you don't actually know what was in it.2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
No, you're the one lying, not Obama. Obama never said he was legally adopted. Nor did he ever write that in a book.I guess he's lying when he says he was adopted then. Go read his book or something. You don't know what you are talking about.
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