Trump threatens US media while Trumpworld focuses on UK Free Speech?

[Juin]

There's an irony here where many of the current US Administration talk about a supposed lack of free speech here in Europe (and they especially claim in the UK) but we saw last night where Trump threw out a potential threat to media that opposes him.

"US President Donald Trump has suggested some TV networks should have their licences "taken away",
as he backed America's broadcast watchdog in a row over the suspension of late-night TV host Jimmy Kimmel."

Trump says TV networks 'against' him should 'maybe' lose licence after Kimmel suspension

Concerns grow that the Trump administration is curtailing criticism after ABC host Jimmy Kimmel's show was cancelled.

www.bbc.com

There's an extended audio feature here if you have a BBC account discussing the reasons for this growing Trump-led obsession with UK free speech "when a crackdown on speech is kicking off at home"

Curious, what do our European readers make of this?

Irony noted, but I am afraid irony or not, hypocrisy or not, the challenge still stands. An argument or case is not invalidated because the petitioner is a hypocrite. It just means both accuser and accused are guilty.

That said, I will say there's a far bigger push in Europe and Eu- under the guise of combating that vague, poorly defined but convenient "misinformation"- to use state and Eu institutions to control information disseminated to the public.

The case of the Telegram CEO comes to mind

 

[Juin]

The US has "free speech if you are a white right winger", ...

Not so. The fact of the matter is the DEI, rainbow, left has far more TV channels, print media, editorialists than the right. For example it is one Fox News to cnn, nbc, abc, cbs etc. But one thing the left could not control was the thousands and thousands of remote controls. Each Joe Six Pack had that power. Joe Six Pack switched to Fox News.
 

while we have free speech with personal responsibilty and consequences. If you go too far, you pay the price.

And I imagine an unelected Big Brother in Bruxelles defines for the rest of the common folk in Europe their crippling responsibilities and the dire consequences to them in case of infraction. 1984

Now saying that.. the UK has gone away from this.... when it comes to Palestine. And that is worrying big time. Now days you get arrested for holding a piece of white paper with the word Palestine on it..

Interesting. Not too aware of that.

 

[Juin]

This is starkly different to what is happening in the UK, where, for example, the government sent 5 armed police officers to arrest a man for a tweet because some anonymous person was offended by it. The UK does not have freedom of speech. It has adopted some bizarre right for citizens not to be offended by each other’s speech and this is only enforced in one direction.

Protecting the right not to be offended is the anti thesis of free speech

 

[Juin]

Lol non of this is even remotely factual.

Nextstar runs a lot of local ABC stations, and they complained. Nextstar is in the process of eating up one of its biggest competitors and needs FFC approval. The FFC chair, a MAGA moron threatened to yank broadcast rights, and Nextstar did his bidding.

And what Kimmel did was show Trump being asked how he felt about Kirk's death and Trump started talking about the ballroom. Kimmel showed how pathetic Trump is and that is why Nextstar and the FFC went against him, because normally those types of interactions are not shown unless live...

You are missing his point:


"This has nothing to do with free speech. Under the First Amendment, you are entitled to use your own resources to engage in protected speech without government retaliation. You are not entitled to use your employer’s resources to say whatever you want and broadcast it."



Kimmel can use his own resources, he is entitled to that. What he is not entitled to is use of another's resources.

 

[Juin]

Only if you are a member of Palestine Action.

I just read up a bit on Palestine Action for the first time. My initial reaction is that its banning as a terrorist organisation is an overkill. If spray painting are now acts of terror our young graffiti hooligans will have to be promoted to terrorists

 

[Juin]

Sure.. those 70+ year olds in wheelchairs are part of Palestine Action.. who did what exactly? Break into a military base and paint a few planes? Seriously?

I read a bit on Palestine Action today for the first time. I will say its designation as a terrorist organisation is an overkill. I will venture further by suggesting that the concern is more protecting Israel from protests than any harm to public from Palestine Action

 

[PeteEU]

Not so. The fact of the matter is the DEI, rainbow, left has far more TV channels, print media, editorialists than the right. For example it is one Fox News to cnn, nbc, abc, cbs etc. But one thing the left could not control was the thousands and thousands of remote controls. Each Joe Six Pack had that power. Joe Six Pack switched to Fox News.
 

Most TV news that Americans see is from local channels.. and that is dominated by far right wing media companies.

And I imagine an unelected Big Brother in Bruxelles defines for the rest of the common folk in Europe their crippling responsibilities and the dire consequences to them in case of infraction. 1984

Eh?

Interesting. Not too aware of that.

Of course not.. the US right wing media would not report anything that benefits Palestine after all..

 

[PeteEU]

You are missing his point:


"This has nothing to do with free speech. Under the First Amendment, you are entitled to use your own resources to engage in protected speech without government retaliation. You are not entitled to use your employer’s resources to say whatever you want and broadcast it."



Kimmel can use his own resources, he is entitled to that. What he is not entitled to is use of another's resources.

LOL the Kimmel case has nothing to do with free speech. It has to do with a corrupt FCC pressuring companies to do their dirty work in exchange of approving multi-billion dollar mergers. Both Nextstar and Disney have some in the pipeline that requires Trumps approval.. THAT is why this happened.

Have you even see what Kimmel said? There is zero inflammatory or questionable in what he said.. what Trump and his fascist pigs got bothered over, was that he showed a video where Trump was being Trump.. brushing off Kirk and promoting his vanity White House project. Seems to me that Trump could give a rats ass about Kirk and his family based on the response to a question he was asked... that was the problem, exposing the truth!

 

[Juin]

Of course not.. the US right wing media would not report anything that benefits Palestine after all..

There's a free left wing media to do that. I am not too up to date on Palestine because it has been the Ukraine conflict that I have been following

 

[Juin]

LOL the Kimmel case has nothing to do with free speech. It has to do with a corrupt FCC pressuring companies to do their dirty work in exchange of approving multi-billion dollar mergers. Both Nextstar and Disney have some in the pipeline that requires Trumps approval.. THAT is why this happened.

You may have to back that up. And even if you don't, I am inclined to be against government control or management of the media

Have you even see what Kimmel said? There is zero inflammatory or questionable in what he said.. what Trump and his fascist pigs got bothered over, was that he showed a video where Trump was being Trump.. brushing off Kirk and promoting his vanity White House project. Seems to me that Trump could give a rats ass about Kirk and his family based on the response to a question he was asked... that was the problem, exposing the truth!

Kimmel is free to go on YouTube like Tucker Carlson. I am not so much arguing against what he said as against the objections to his employers pulling the plug on him

 

[CaughtInThe]

Imagine, if you will, being afraid of DIVERSITY and not DICTATORSHIP.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Sure.. those 70+ year olds in wheelchairs are part of Palestine Action.. who did what exactly? Break into a military base and paint a few planes? Seriously?

I never said that grannies were arrested for painting aircraft.

Let's leave it there.

 

[Juin]

Imagine, if you will, being afraid of DIVERSITY and not DICTATORSHIP.

If DEI is a Trojan Horse for a DICTATORSHIP of a special class, then there's grounds for fears

 

[Infinite Chaos]

That said, I will say there's a far bigger push in Europe and Eu- under the guise of combating that vague, poorly defined but convenient "misinformation"- to use state and Eu institutions to control information disseminated to the public.

The case of the Telegram CEO comes to mind

The Telegram case was much more serious than is reported in the USA and the CEO has made changes from his Dubai base to crack down on the criminality on Telegram.

"Now, Telegram is making some changes in an effort to reduce criminal
activity on the platform, Durov said Monday in a post on the app.
Chief among them: Telegram has updated its terms of service and
privacy policy to note it will hand over the IP addresses and phone
numbers of users who violate its rules to authorities in response to
“valid legal requests.” The platform says it will disclose all user data
that is shared with law enforcement officials in quarterly transparency reports.

“Search on Telegram is more powerful than in other messaging
apps because it allows users to find public channels and bots,”
Durov wrote. “Unfortunately, this feature has been abused by people
who violated our Terms of Service to sell illegal goods.”"​

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/telegram-ceo-durov-arrest-user-data-changes

I just read up a bit on Palestine Action for the first time. My initial reaction is that its banning as a terrorist organisation is an overkill. If spray painting are now acts of terror our young graffiti hooligans will have to be promoted to terrorists

Yep, banning Palestine Action should never have been banned, even with breaking into a military base and causing damage to military property.

If DEI is a Trojan Horse for a DICTATORSHIP of a special class, then there's grounds for fears

Funny, the biggest beneficiaries of DEI are white women. Do you think white women are going to dictate US policy anytime soon?

 

[CaughtInThe]

If DEI is a Trojan Horse for a DICTATORSHIP of a special class, then there's grounds for fears

DEI also includes people like those that are blind, handicapped, deaf etc.

I can see how that's scary to weak people.

 

[PeteEU]

You may have to back that up. And even if you don't, I am inclined to be against government control or management of the media

Well that is what is going on! Wake the **** up. The Trump administration has weaponized every part of the government for personal gain.

Kimmel is free to go on YouTube like Tucker Carlson. I am not so much arguing against what he said as against the objections to his employers pulling the plug on him

He is still employed by Disney. And again, he was suspended for nothing. That moron on Fox News actually advocating the murder of the homeless and he still has his job. All Kimmel did was make fun of an orange pedophile.

 

[PeteEU]

There's a free left wing media to do that. I am not too up to date on Palestine because it has been the Ukraine conflict that I have been following

The US media in general is pro Israel and does not show the truth about the genocide happening.