Trump steamrolls anti-abortion groups

[j brown's body]

It's already starting to cause a riff. I think this will divide their party even further. Anti choice advocates are hard core, they'll pick for the cause. They're already sending out posts saying the pro life vote is up for grabs. Weirdly enough, Trump was too logical about it.

Will voters turn on Trump after he criticized Florida abortion restrictions?

Former President Trump is taking some heat from conservatives after he criticized Florida's six-week abortion ban.

abc45.com

Oddly, only because he alone, with the judges he named to the Court, enabled the policies he is decrying now to happen.

Everything is transactional, there is no moral or political foundation to this Nan. He'll grasp an idea that he feels will advance him even if it contradicts the last one he had.

Anyone want to bet that after all this, if he were re-elected, he wouldn't do a damn thing about except run his mouth?

 

[Ginger Ale]

Oddly, only because he alone, with the judges he named to the Court, enabled the policies he is decrying now to happen.

Everything is transactional, there is no moral or political foundation to this Nan. He'll grasp an idea that he feels will advance him even if it contradicts the last one he had.

Anyone want to bet that after all this, if he were re-elected, he wouldn't do a damn thing about except run his mouth?

I believe you are correct. lol

 

[Airyaman]

Nikki Haley took a good upward bump after the 1st debate and she is not an abortion hardliner either. I don't think this will hurt Trump much

 

[jpn]

I wonder how the SCOTUS would reconcile the established rights of the woman with unestablished "rights" of the unborn? I suspect they wouldn't even review it.

We must be talking about different things. I'm talking abortion, and how the SC overturned a 50-year decision revoking women's right to reproductive freedom.

What are you talking about?

 

[jpn]

Republicans have spent decades courting abortion opponents. trump used them when it was convenient, and he's ditching them when it's convenient. It appears to be a 'good political move' keeping him from getting as attacked on abortion in the 2024 election as he would otherwise be.

It's hard for me to believe people will not identify Trump as the one most responsible for overturning Roe.

 

[jpn]

I do believe DeSantis is gaining from this. The Christian Right are like Pitbulls on the abortion issue, I think they will reconsider Trump if he holds onto this but, Trump will gain even more Independents who've just put up with cons crazy freedom grab in order to keep their gun rights under the conservative blanket.

This will cause a stir up.

DeSantis is toast. The guy hurts himself at every unscripted event, and many of the scripted ones.

There have been few more inept than he at running for president.

 

[Gordy327]

We must be talking about different things. I'm talking abortion, and how the SC overturned a 50-year decision revoking women's right to reproductive freedom.

What are you talking about?

I do not agree with the SCOTUS decision to overturn Roe. But some anti abortion arguments revolve around the premise or establishment of "fetal rights" which, if passed, would likely face legal challenge. But those for fetal rights can never seem to explain how to ensure equal rights to both woman and unborn.

 

[Ginger Ale]

DeSantis is toast. The guy hurts himself at every unscripted event, and many of the scripted ones.

There have been few more inept than he at running for president.

I hope you are correct, he makes me vomit but, there will be someone in that party who will benefit because those Christian Extremists only vote for a few things and abortion is one of the big ones.

 

[yankintx]

I do believe DeSantis is gaining from this. The Christian Right are like Pitbulls on the abortion issue, I think they will reconsider Trump if he holds onto this but, Trump will gain even more Independents who've just put up with cons crazy freedom grab in order to keep their gun rights under the conservative blanket.

This will cause a stir up.

Na

The God Squad will keep sucking Trumps arse.

DeDouche has no chance, his poll numbers are in reverse lol

 

[multivita-man]

Trump always flip flops on these kinds of issues, and he always gets away with it in the end, because all he really cares about is getting winning and getting elected, and he will say (and do) whatever it takes. Abortion's a state issue; if he were to become president again, there's not much he could do about it anyway, other than packing the Court with liberals and pushing test cases, which is obviously never going to happen.

Religious voters have always known he wasn't really a Christian to begin with.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Na

The God Squad will keep sucking Trumps arse.

DeDouche has no chance, his poll numbers are in reverse lol

Sure enough, and I'm not delusional enough to think it gives anyone but Trump the win, but, they have said others got a bump from Trump on the subject. Maybe the hardcores are thinking twice, but it won't make a difference.

 

[choiceone]

Of course, opponents to abortion will say the individual inside the female reproductive system (which they insist it is, no matter how radically undeveloped) also has fundamental rights.
This is not an issue that logic alone can solve.

The fact remains that, if an unborn is an individual inside the female reproductive system, absolutely nothing gives them the right to the inside of the female reproductive system, to be implanted in her flesh, absorb her blood nutrients or oxygen, etc. That's the whole point. If persons, who are born, don't have the right to a transfusion of your blood or transplantation of your kidney, then the unborn don't have the right to the woman's body.

This whole problem stems from the idiocy of saying that, if the woman gave consent to sexual intercourse, she gave consent to pregnancy. Well, did a woman who gave consent to a man's touching her breasts under her blouse consent to a man's putting his sexual organ inside of hers? Of course not. Did a woman who consented to sexual intercourse with two kinds of contraception consent to pregnancy? Of course not.

But as long as we allow people to insist that this is so, there will also be people who, when confronted with rape pregnancy, will say, "What was she wearing?" and "But if she was really raped, she couldn't get pregnant" and again "The unborn life has a right to use her body to continue its existence."

Of course logic can solve the issue, but only if one doesn't allow the idiots to assert their illogic as equal, as it's not.

 

[choiceone]

I wonder how the SCOTUS would reconcile the established rights of the woman with unestablished "rights" of the unborn? I suspect they wouldn't even review it.

That's right. When two pregnant women and someone from a Catholic organization went to court in RI to have the court say whether the women's embryos/fetuses were persons, they got up to the state supreme court, which said they weren't persons. So they appealed to the federal court and got the same answer and eventually asked the USSC to take the case on and declare they were persons. The USSC declined to take up the case. That's how they left it - the woman is a person and the embryo/fetus isn't a person.

 

[Gordy327]

the woman is a person and the embryo/fetus isn't a person.

And that's how it should be.