How about supplying a Maga to Sane translation please? No idea here what you are saying, or what relevance it has even if it made sense???Oh... Now Drug Czar Harris really WAS the Drug Czar. Too bad she couldn't articulate this positive development during her campaign.
T-minus 72 hours to it coming out that the call never happened and/or Mexico’s President agreed to no such thing.Leadership. No more needs to be said.
President-elect Trump said he spoke with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo, saying she has agreed to "stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States" following threats this week to significantly tariff goods from coming into the U.S. from its southern neighbor.
Trump vowed to impose 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada if both nations failed to do more to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs into the U.S. Sheinbaum, who recently took office, said on Wednesday that Mexico would retaliate if Trump followed through on his promise.
click here to read... unless you are triggered by Fox News. If that's the case then here is your binky.
Let's all do the Trump shuffle!!
View attachment 67544977
Firstly, it appears that Trumps Tariff plan didn't actually achieve anything.
It just gave Trump the ability to claim credit for something that was already in place.
Secondly, the USMCA trade agreement is the 2nd largest in the world, but includes only one moderately fast growing economy (Mexico). The third largest Trade Agreement in the world CPTPP is smaller in $'s but includes slightly more people, and more of the worlds fastest growing economies. Mexico and Canada are both members of that CPTPP agreement. Of course everyone wants to trade into the worlds largest single market (the US), but if USMCA was to be broken, both Canada and Mexico do have already developing new trade relationships that they can immediately start building new trade through. It won't replace USMCA in the next 5 minutes, but given a bit of time I imagine both countries will reduce their reliance on US trade. The other issue for the US of course is that where do they get what they currently get from Canada and Mexico on the same or better terms? Of course the maga mantra is that everything will then be grown/built in the US, but that ignores so many factual realities that it is hard to credit that any thinking person takes that claim seriously.
My expectation is that both Canada and Mexico will work hard to diversify their exports away from the unreliable US. That is what companies do when facing crazy and unreliable politics. Neither C or M would have major issues sourcing most of their imports from outside the US, although extra transport costs may impact price, but not as much as huge tariffs.
Leadership. No more needs to be said.
President-elect Trump said he spoke with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo, saying she has agreed to "stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States" following threats this week to significantly tariff goods from coming into the U.S. from its southern neighbor.
Trump vowed to impose 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada if both nations failed to do more to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs into the U.S. Sheinbaum, who recently took office, said on Wednesday that Mexico would retaliate if Trump followed through on his promise.
click here to read... unless you are triggered by Fox News. If that's the case then here is your binky.
Let's all do the Trump shuffle!!
View attachment 67544977
So other than the proposed action on migrants etc, what do you expect Trump to achieve via new trade negotiations with Canada and Mexico that he didn't achieve last time? Maybe go all Trump like and say that the US just won't pay it's bills? What else?Of course it hasn't achieved anything -- he hasn't taken office yet. The whole point of announcing the tariffs is to start negotiations before he takes office. I am not a Trump fan, but I am a realist. He's not dumb by pushing Mexico and Canada into a corner if he's trying to achieve *specific* outcomes. If he's just trying to be a tough guy and has no ends in mind, then yeah, it's a dumb approach, but it does seem like there at least could be some strategy with regard to the border. And if Trump achieves his goal, it makes you wonder why centrist Joe Biden didn't attempt this earlier.
What was in place?
Mexico and Canada are hugely dependent on the US. The US is in a strong position to negotiate. We just didn't all these years because the US powerbrokers were more invested in neoliberalism. There's a new sheriff in town.
I agree, but that will be a slow process.
Yeah too bad there's no way we can cross-reference his claim. Oh wait!
View attachment 67544997
Agreement on paper or it didn't happen. It could very well be that President Sheinbaum is smart enough to know that the number of people coming to the US has already been on a sharp decline, so she can agree to doing something without actually doing something because that something is already happening. Some details as to how Mexican compliance will be measured would be nice, even though Trump and the Trump adjacent don't care about details.
Is this supposed to make us feel bad?Agreement on paper or it didn't happen. It could very well be that President Sheinbaum is smart enough to know that the number of people coming to the US has already been on a sharp decline,
so she can agree to doing something without actually doing something because that something is already happening. Some details as to how Mexican compliance will be measured would be nice, even though Trump and the Trump adjacent don't care about details.
Sure, but even with that one has to develop a method to measure effectiveness and compliance to whatever agreement was made. All we know is she's said Mexico will take care of caravans that come through the country, and we also know that those have diminished in size for quite a while now. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be claiming anything until there's at least a framework outlining what measures of success/failure are tied to the imposition of tariffs. Threats are only as good as the ability to make good on them, and given Mexico exports a lot of goods Americans depend on, it's not as easy as just placing tariffs that consumers won't instantly feel.I am not a MAGA man, but I will give credit where credit is due. It is not stupid to use economics to enforce other political objectives. If MAGA Jesus can actually get Mexico and other countries to meaningful interdict the flow of migrants northward to the extent that it noticeably mitigates border crossings, that puts less pressure on him to do the dirty work of mass incarcerations and deportations.
I already know I'm going to be accused of being a secret MAGA. I am not. But I am going to note that tariffs can be used strategically as statecraft.
Not sure who "us" is, but no.Is this supposed to make us feel bad?
Except of course migrant caravans WERE arriving previously:
View attachment 67544998
Tijuana is right at the border:
View attachment 67544999
People who want a secure border, believe in walls, etc...Not sure who "us" is, but no.
So did they stop coming, or did they stop bothering to apprehend them?
In addition, Mexico should be brought to accept that any/all those crossing from Mexico illegally and apprehended will immediately be returned to Mexico at a legal entry point. Perhaps Mexico needs to close their Southern border as well.I am not a MAGA man, but I will give credit where credit is due. It is not stupid to use economics to enforce other political objectives. If MAGA Jesus can actually get Mexico and other countries to meaningful interdict the flow of migrants northward to the extent that it noticeably mitigates border crossings, that puts less pressure on him to do the dirty work of mass incarcerations and deportations.
I already know I'm going to be accused of being a secret MAGA. I am not. But I am going to note that tariffs can be used strategically as statecraft.
And Trump wouldn't lie!
Do you also believe that the sound of windmills causes cancer?
Leadership. No more needs to be said.
President-elect Trump said he spoke with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo, saying she has agreed to "stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States" following threats this week to significantly tariff goods from coming into the U.S. from its southern neighbor.
Trump vowed to impose 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada if both nations failed to do more to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs into the U.S. Sheinbaum, who recently took office, said on Wednesday that Mexico would retaliate if Trump followed through on his promise.
click here to read... unless you are triggered by Fox News. If that's the case then here is your binky.
Let's all do the Trump shuffle!!
View attachment 67544977
Related to this?How Mexico is helping Biden and Harris at the U.S. border
A major reason for the drop in apprehensions at the border this year: Mexico is stopping migrants well before they reach the border.
I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day, and Trump has a strong stomach and won't squick at the thought of continuing a sensible policy even if the left started to support it a few months earlier. Am I supposed to have a problem with this?If she's elected president, Kamala Harris pledges to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the wall along the southern border — a project she once opposed and called "un-American" during the Trump administration.
If all illegal immigrants were bussed to the Canadian border by non government civilians, and began to enter Canada from the U.S. illegally, I wonder how Canada would react? Would they have an issue with the U.S. government?Step one in unwinding this multi-year migrant disaster. My thinking is Mexico was sick of the migrant caravan too and they just needed an excuse to stop it without making them look like the bad guy.
How about reading the damn article. Trump's tariffs didn't do shit. Just more bs from this asshole.As I have already posted elsewhere, I can argue with ideology, but I cannot argue with results. If he is committing states to change how they behave, then he is using tariffs not for purely macroeconomic objectives but for broader political objectives, and he is, for the moment, succeeding.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?