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Trump plans ban on sale of flavoured e-cigarettes

Hoovervilles. Won't be the first time.
 

Common sense. Who knew it still existed.
 

I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't know what else we can do. Virtually everyone agrees that the system is broken; and nearly no one is doing anything about it. Things are getting worse every single day.
 
I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't know what else we can do. Virtually everyone agrees that the system is broken; and nearly no one is doing anything about it. Things are getting worse every single day.

First thing we do is stop the hemorrhaging by getting the bastards out of power.
Then, do not relax just because the other boys have it now. Hold many feet to many fires.

To be continued...
 
First thing we do is stop the hemorrhaging by getting the bastards out of power.
Then, do not relax just because the other boys have it now. Hold many feet to many fires.

To be continued...

Now it's my turn to be cynical. There is no way to remove them from power without imposing term limits. Voting doesn't work because they control that process.
 
For the sake of argument, if we said this were the very rare thing trump got right, I've little doubt he did it for the wrong reasons, like because young people hate him.
 
Now it's my turn to be cynical. There is no way to remove them from power without imposing term limits. Voting doesn't work because they control that process.

Term limits make the problem WORSE, increasing the power of the money to put whoever they want in office. We need experienced, good legislators - the problem is the money that gets the bad ones also.
 
Term limits make the problem WORSE, increasing the power of the money to put whoever they want in office. We need experienced, good legislators - the problem is the money that gets the bad ones also.

Legislator isn't supposed to be a career in the first place. Citizen volunteers were supposed to debate and pass laws for a couple months each year and then go back to their real jobs. I am not aware of any research that term limits exacerbate the influence of money in politics. Do you have any sources you can share?
 

I can only confirm that the best way to get me anxious or frustrated in those days was to make me wait to smoke.

I have no issue with zero-nicotine vaping.

Definitely remember the tastes returning when I quit, and most especially smells. I never knew how bad a dumpster could stink until I stopped smoking.
 

I'm just weird I guess. For me it was the opposite, not smoking didn't bother me it was always something that either pissed me off or frustrated me that made me want to smoke just to calm down and help me relax.

Yeah, I almost wanted to start back smoking because of all the foul smelling stuff I never paid any attention to. Ignorance truly was bliss in regards to not being able to smell some things.
 
Legislator isn't supposed to be a career in the first place. Citizen volunteers were supposed to debate and pass laws for a couple months each year and then go back to their real jobs.

Times change from when Thomas Jefferson could run the state department alone and 90% of people were farmers, in our trillions of dollars, very complex society that need a hell of a lot more to run the government well.

I am not aware of any research that term limits exacerbate the influence of money in politics. Do you have any sources you can share?

I could explain the topic, but would it do any good? Or just google for some explanations. When elections become all about 'new faces' of unknowns, that's a big advantage to the candidates with the most money for marketing them. Name recognition alone is probably the single biggest factor in these races (after perhaps party). And newer legislators are less skilled.
 

Candidates with the most money already have the advantage. That's why politicians and lobbyists created a symbiotic relationship wherein lobbyists keep politicians in power and politicians give lobbyists what they want. Term limits give lawmakers something to do besides get reelected.
 

Term limits greatly increases that advantage. The corrupt lobbyist system is less about keeping politicians in office, though it does that, than it is about offering them higher pay when they leave office, so they do as the lobbyists want in office. They already have something to do besides get re-elected - go into lobbying which over half do. We don't NEED to give them other things, we need experienced, good legislators. Done here.
 
We have the Hoovervilles now. Camping equipment is much more sophisticated today but a Hooverville is a Hooverville.

Neither the NYC subway or the LA parks are Hoovervilles. Close, but no cigar.
 

No, term limits do not increase the influence of money in politics. You repeating yourself with no proof doesn't make anything true.
 
No, term limits do not increase the influence of money in politics. You repeating yourself with no proof doesn't make anything true.

Yes, they do, and there are people it's a waste of time discussing things with.

Five reasons to oppose congressional term limits

"It sounded like a good idea, but if California is any indication, term limits are a recipe for political chaos and increased special interest influence."

The Populist Road to Hell: Term Limits in California

Use a little common sense. Besides the money helping strangers more than known people, term limits greatly increase the politicians in office who know they will not be running for re-election, removing accountability to voters and further increasing the influence of the money and lobbyists.
 

Thank you for the links. I'm not sure why you're getting so snarky. You're the one who started this conversation and couldn't be bothered to provide any sources for your argument. Clearly the existing system doesn't work. Term limits could provide many benefits, especially if coupled with a ban on former lawmakers from working as lobbyists.
 

I think it’s the height of cynicism to dishonestly market an e-cigarette as a smoking cessation tool.
 
I think it’s the height of cynicism to dishonestly market an e-cigarette as a smoking cessation tool.

What is dishonest about it? Vaping is easily the best smoking cessation tool out there.
 

There's also the huge cost of treating avoidable tobacco-related disease. Around $300 billion per annum...

Economic Trends in Tobacco | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC

Ban tobacco advertising; it helps...

This is the end of tobacco advertising - Cancer Research UK - Science blog

I'm a smoker, addicted.
 
I think it’s the height of cynicism to dishonestly market an e-cigarette as a smoking cessation tool.

Vaping is infinitely less harmful than smoking. And, yes. Many smokers have switched to vaping. Hence, it is indeed a smoking cessation tool.
 
Just a guess that it isn't vaping a tobacco product that is killing these people, but rather an additive. Of course we know too little about it to conclude anything for certain.

Eating, smoking, drinking...where does it stop? We can ban all day long, people still want their vices unless we can educate them on the dangers. Ban vap additives, and they take the sales behind the barn. Think about it, the war on drugs/ prohibition.
 
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