Trump Gives 2 Weeks To Assess Russia-Ukraine Peace Prospects

[multivita-man]

So how much land did Russia take with its massive summer offensive?

Tell me of the success of your heroes.

Meant to respond to this. They're not my heroes, but as we send our military forces down to Venezuela to stage a possible coup, bomb Iran (illegally), fund/arm/participate in Israeli genocide of the Palestinians, and consider seriously (no shit) using US military forces in Mexico to kill drug traffickers, it's easy to see why Russia doesn't regard NATO as some sort of harmless self-defense force and is willing to lay waste to the non-NATO nation on their doorstep that hosts the hegemon's expansion.

I feel bad for Ukrainians. Their country is ruined, and it is ruined because we used them as a proxy because are arrogant-as-**** military and national security state wasn't satisfied with winning the Cold War. We had to establish the US not as a superpower, but as an omnipotent hyperpower. We sacrificed Ukraine for that purpose. Putin (as well as other Russian dignitaries and even some of our own experts) warned us we were playing with fire by expanding NATO and putting "defensive" missile systems ever closer to Russia. We ****ed around...and unfortunately, Ukraine (not just us) found out.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I feel bad for Ukrainians.

Oh stop. You tear down Ukraine virtually every day here on this board.

You're no enigma. Folks here know who you support, and it's not Kyiv.

 

[multivita-man]

Oh stop. You tear down Ukraine virtually every day here on this board.

I do? Feel free to point out where I've said Ukraine sucks or otherwise torn down Ukraine. I've said that Ukraine is a proxy for the United States...which it is. That's not tearing down Ukraine. That's characterizing the realpolitik context in which Russia launched its invasion (there, I said Russia invaded Ukraine - does that make you feel all better now?)

 

[Rogue Valley]

As I stated, folks on this board are well aware of who you support.

Under the guise of altruism, you press for Ukraine's total surrender to Vladimir Putin.

Consigning millions of Ukrainians to a brutal life under Russian domination and bloody revenge.

Bucha-like events would become commonplace and Moscow would impose a total news blackout on Ukraine.

But that's not your problem is it? You could tell yourself "I did all I could to stop the bloodshed!" Except it wouldn't stop.

And what of the kidnapped children? Again, not your problem. Out of sight out of mind.

Like Trump, you'll be content to puff out your chest and declare a victory for peace. Except nothing could be farther from the truth.

Bloodletting doesn't stop under a homicidal maniac. Not ever.

 

[multivita-man]

Under the guise of altruism, you press for Ukraine's total surrender to Vladimir Putin.

No, not altruism, realism.

Consigning millions of Ukrainians to a brutal life under Russian domination and bloody revenge.

Ukraine was just fine until we started trying to bring it under our "security" umbrella. Yeah, the same NATO (or NATO leader) that invades and occupies Iraq and Afghanistan, ****s up the entire Middle East in the process, causes a migrant crisis in Europe, causes ISIS, co-signs a genocide in Palestine, bombs Iran as they're negotiating non-proliferation, threatens to make Canada its 51st state, is working on taking Greenland by force from a fellow NATO ally, is sending warships to South American in preparation for a possible coup, and is also actively preparing to use military force for cross-border raids into Mexico to deal with a cross-border police problem of drug trafficking. And you can't see why Russia doesn't see the US's expanded presence in the region as a security threat?

Pfff...please.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Donnie "2 weeks" Trump

 

[j brown's body]

Meant to respond to this. They're not my heroes, but as we send our military forces down to Venezuela to stage a possible coup, bomb Iran (illegally), fund/arm/participate in Israeli genocide of the Palestinians, and consider seriously (no shit) using US military forces in Mexico to kill drug traffickers, it's easy to see why Russia doesn't regard NATO as some sort of harmless self-defense force and is willing to lay waste to the non-NATO nation on their doorstep that hosts the hegemon's expansion.

I feel bad for Ukrainians. Their country is ruined, and it is ruined because we used them as a proxy because are arrogant-as-**** military and national security state wasn't satisfied with winning the Cold War. We had to establish the US not as a superpower, but as an omnipotent hyperpower. We sacrificed Ukraine for that purpose. Putin (as well as other Russian dignitaries and even some of our own experts) warned us we were playing with fire by expanding NATO and putting "defensive" missile systems ever closer to Russia. We ****ed around...and unfortunately, Ukraine (not just us) found out.

A poor rationale for invading another nation.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Ukraine was just fine until we started trying to bring it under our "security" umbrella.

Yeah, we all know your standard motif.... the US started the Ukraine War.

Don't believe your lying eyes folks! Or Wikipedia. The US is the root of all evil according to @multivita-man.

The Russo-Ukrainian War began in February 2014 and is ongoing. Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia occupied and annexed Crimea from Ukraine. It then supported Russian paramilitaries who began a war in the eastern Donbas region against Ukraine's military. In 2018, Ukraine declared the region to be occupied by Russia.[8] These first eight years of conflict also included naval incidents and cyberwarfare. In February 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine and began occupying more of the country, starting the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II. The war has resulted in a refugee crisis and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[multivita-man]

A poor rationale for invading another nation.

I didn't say it was legal or moral; it just is. If Canada or Mexico ever decided it was taking Trump's threats of becoming America's 51st state credibly and decided to enter into a security agreement with China or Russia sometime in the future, believe me: the US military would have veto power.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I didn't say it was legal or moral; it just is. If Canada or Mexico ever decided it was taking Trump's threats of becoming America's 51st state credibly and decided to enter into a security agreement with China or Russia sometime in the future, believe me: the US military would have veto power.

Yes, Trump would probably invade either country. But Trump isn't a rational and law-abiding US president.

 

[multivita-man]

Yes, Trump would probably invade either country. But Trump isn't a rational and law-abiding US president.

Who was JFK, then?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Who was JFK, then?

This is 2025. Deal with the here and now.

 

[Visbek]

Putin is unlikely to agree to ‘(NATO) article 5 like’ security commitments and Zelensky is unlikely to be able to get ‘national referendum’ permission to cede currently unoccupied territory.

Yup, lots of people understand that.

People who understand the situation reasonably well know that it was never going to be fixed in one day, and it's not going to be fixed in two weeks just because the Orange Goon bleated out, yet again, that whatever hard problem he promised to fix and that can't be fixed will be fixed in "two weeks."

What is harder to understand is why people still buy into El Jefe's endless stream of ignorance, ineptitude, lies, and capitulations to Putin.