Wait, why would we expect differently from an MAGA? Quite literally, their only job is to take talking points, issued to them by Donald Trump or the conservative media and simply repost and repeat them as truths again and again. @anatta is only following orders. What else should we expect?What are you talking about? PR brags, like Foxcon?
Did any of these brags result in even breaking ground, much-less reach production?
You present Trump's words as if they're certainty, and we know they're the farthest from.
When?
Im not going thru each item. you can goggle them like i did These are all new committments, or tariffsWhat are you talking about? PR brags, like Foxcon?
Did any of these brags result in even breaking ground, much-less reach production?
You present Trump's words as if they're certainty, and we know they're the farthest from.
So, Motorola will still be hit with tariffs? If so, I imagine they have lawyers of their own to fight this. Motorola phones are cheaper than Samsung and much cheaper than iPhones. They're manufactured all over the world, so the company may transfer some Chinese production to other countries. Technically still an American company, Motorola is a subsidiary of Chinese company Lenovo. They should also be receiving exemptions.
Apple's main competitor is Samsung, which will be hit with SK tariffs, whatever they may be. Should make the Galaxy more expensive than an iPhone. Government interference in the economy of this type is inherently authoritarian.
Yeah, I saw your post. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump exempted only American companies or only his donors.
Smartphones are also produced in India and Vietnam. China, India and Vietnam account for 80% of the world's smartphone production with China at 50%, India 20 and Vietnam 10.
There will be no army of millions of humans putting screws into iPhones coming to America. The administration has become a parody of SNL.
I've thought of it. But that's not what I want. I like a tough enviornment - keeps me from being sloppy and not doing my research.
Because i WILL get challenged on 1/2 baked posts
Ya the TDS is annoying, but it's just a reflection of our politics anyways
I keep my head down, engage in ideas - and dont worry about what others do -other then replies
No angst, no getting upset, just The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on
I really think that there’s no way Trump granted any exemptions without getting something out of it, correct.
He’s a narcissist who isn’t just going to randomly capitulate/forfeit without having something he can declare victory about.
After all, he’d stubbornly do whatever he feels like doing well beyond the point that the world burns down around him, wouldn’t you agree?
Long term, it’s the only model that works for a MAGA. Since they live in a different reality than the rest of the human population, where facts work differently (e.g. Haitian immigrants eat cats, windmills cause cancer and so forth) normal human beings cannot actually engage in debate with a MAGA because there is no common basis to start from. They’re destined to engage only with those who share their view of Donald Trump being the only source of Truth.
probably depends on the board ( the reaction). Ive settled here because at least we can get into a discussion without it being de-railed by the 3rd post.I can respect this.
I don't do social media. None. Just not my thing. I prefer privacy.
But I did join DP one night, and have thoroughly enjoyed it.
Lately though after recon'ing some Trump media sites, I'm finding myself with a desire to interact with MAGA.
It might be interesting to see how they react if I present unassailable counter-argument in a reasonable & respectful manner
What an idiot. One of Trump's many rationales for this trade war was that we needed to reshore our electronics production for national security purposes. Do we no longer need to do that?
We need to take away the president's ability to impose tariffs.
That worked reasonably well in the past, but it rests on the assumption that the president isn't a mad king. Let Congress control this instead. The legislative branch is far too weak anyway.
I think the world is looking for more neutrality and hoping it can talk both the US and China out of a disastrous economic and diplomatic war, but we really should stop calling this a trade war - it is well beyond that where the US (MAGA, actually) and China are concerned. A trade war is typically fought to resolve differences over economics (i.e., economic cheating, dumping...that sort of thing). A trade war would be fought to resolve, say, some offense that we accused China of that couldn't otherwise be resolved to our satisfaction by entities like WTO.
At minimum, this is an attempt by the United States at economic *and* political containment. The United States is not just attempting to disrupt trade between the US and China (to the extent we can), it is really more of an attempt now to compel many other nations to work with us to isolate and economically injure China, to box them in, and even push them back out of Africa, out of South America, out of Europe and Asia. This is a full-on schoolyard lunge and attempted tackle by the United States.
The rest of the world is not going to just side with the United States. We've proven to them in just a matter of 3 months that we cannot be trusted with that kind of power. In the coming days and weeks, we'll hear a lot about how trading partners have no choice and that the US holds all the cards, and that they can either side with us or side with the enemy, and if they do the latter there will be hell to pay.
If the current administration follows through with threats to weaponize our current economic trade, our resources, and other forms of power - if we actually do it without hesitation or exemption, it would take what is now arguably a monumental folly and turn it into the worst foreign policy decision in the history of this country, and we've made quite a few of these the last 20 years.
I am not seeing any signs at all of grand macro-strategy no matter how his apologists frame what he's doing now. To be sure, there is grand macro-strategy to be had -- to the benefit of his legacy, no less. But we've seen his act in the first term and now even more so in this one. He is rash. He is impulsive. He doesn't listen. If you give him a menu of options, he will choose the worst one because it's the one that has the most shock value and is guaranteed to cause the most headlines and disruption. That is his alpha and omega. And he has surrounded himself within his administration and within Congress and in his own version of Sputnik that we call Fox News with people who refuse to challenge him or correct him.
We're supposedly 90 days away from countries having to make a difficult choice between the United States and the "DragonBear" (aka China and Russia). I would say it's more like we may have 90 days left before Trump pulls the levers of power in ways that erode US global power and prestige - not to mention domestic wealth - with shocking rapidity. I can only hope that markets shock some sense into those around him and members of Congress enough to force their hand. Otherwise, we're ****ed.
Trump is taking advantage of emergency powers which are statutory. Congress needs to revoke all acts and statutes that delegate emergency power to the president. Congress can assume this responsibility itself.
Agreed. It sucks because it will probably slow down the response if we have a genuine emergency, but I guess that's just what happens when the voters elect a child. That's a better outcome than letting Trump do whatever he wants.
What is funny is how you just make up shit to deflect from your gods **** upsLol...liberals complain about tariffs....and then complain when there's less tariffs. The mind of a TDSer is a funny thing.
Lol...liberals complain about tariffs....and then complain when there's less tariffs. The mind of a TDSer is a funny thing.
One of the U.S.' biggest mistakes was not pursuing IP protection early on. The genie should have been capped from the get-go.
what did his "negotiating" accomplish?
the other side thinks he is being "generous"? prove that. I would think the other side is thinking he is a chaotic economic moron who was convinced he made a mistake.
we relied on the WTO. WTO does not have its own enforcement mechanisms. AI search:
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World Trade Organization (WTO) aims to prevent intellectual property theft. The WTO's Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) requires all member countries to establish basic laws that protect IP. The TRIPS agreement also sets up a dispute settlement system to address trade disputes, including those related to IP theft.
Members are left free to determine the appropriate method of implementing the provisions of the Agreement within their own legal system and practice.
Certain realities for them have to be denied, even unto insane nonsense, but they are willing to go there so they don't have to deal with that reality, because it is unconscionable even for them to deal with it truthfully. My big for instance is electing a convicted criminal fraud as your Chief Executive (I can't get any of them to bite on this without denying reality). It's beyond obvious that they are not only OK with a criminal president but it's required, and that just opens up the reality they have to avoid even more. For them, it's nothing more than putting their fingers in their ears and humming loudly when the ugly face of their reality is spit back at them.
Trump blinked.
This absolute retard doesn’t know what he’s doing.
the only way the money isn't spent is if Commerce (whatever) has "too small a staff" to do so ( if i read that correct).
You guys dont want Medicade expansion touched
-so what cut DO you want?
DOGE has made some good ones and some questionable ones. all I hear is crazy talk like "Musk is doing it for billionaires"
The problem is Congress - even the House budget framework is what..150 billion a year over 10 years?
Our annual budget now is over 6 TRILLION. Interest on the debt is the #1 expense so what goes?
Hah!
This absolute retard doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I can respect this.
I don't do social media. None. Just not my thing. I prefer privacy.
But I did join DP one night, and have thoroughly enjoyed it.
Lately though after recon'ing some Trump media sites, I'm finding myself with a desire to interact with MAGA.
How’s that safety worked hereabouts?It might be interesting to see how they react if I present unassailable counter-argument in a reasonable & respectful manner
Wait, didn't we pass a bill to fund domestic chip manufacturing through all the branches? I know it hasn't been implemented yet, at least fully, but I was expecting to see tariffs on chips to protect the manufacturing of them that we are trying to build.
This absolute retard doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Wait, why would we expect differently from an MAGA? Quite literally, their only job is to take talking points, issued to them by Donald Trump or the conservative media and simply repost and repeat them as truths again and again. @anatta is only following orders. What else should we expect?
Im not going thru each item. you can goggle them like i did These are all new committments, or tariffs
we have to extend the Tax cuts, deregulate, and yes spend the CHIPS money. other then that I am not a crystal ball either
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