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Yes-- Trump did nothing to cause Oath Keepers et. al. to do what they did.
No, that's not what the DOJ said.
The DOJ said that Trump's words and actions don't excuse the Oath Keeper's behavior.
It is conspiracy nonetheless; a serious felony in this context.Seditious conspiracy is all about intent to use force or violence against the authority of the USA.
Planning a riot isn't sedition.
No, that's not what the Justice Department said. You've repeatedly ignored my questions about this matter and others and instead keep making the same incorrect statements over and over. It's not an effective debate tactic. Have a lovely day.Yes-- Trump did nothing to cause Oath Keepers et. al. to do what they did.
Seditious conspiracy is all about intent to use force or violence against the authority of the USA.
Planning a riot isn't sedition.
I am saying that to prove sedition, it has to be proven the intent of their actions was against the authority of the USA.
No, that's not what the Justice Department said. You've repeatedly ignored my questions about this matter and others and instead keep making the same incorrect statements over and over. It's not an effective debate tactic. Have a lovely day.
“President Trump did not have the authority to permit or authorize a conspiracy to forcibly oppose the authority of the government or the execution of the laws of the United States, nor could he have lawfully sanctioned the attack on the United States Capitol on January 6 or any of the other criminal conduct allegedly perpetrated by defendants.”
Justice Department doesn't want Oath Keepers to blame Trump at trial | CNN Politics
The Justice Department is trying to block the Oath Keepers they've charged with seditious conspiracy from shifting blame to Donald Trump when they are tried in federal court later this year, according to a court filing.www.cnn.com
Planning a riot to aid a conspiracy to take over the government is. Stop trying to pretend these are separate things.
Not only was the Whte House directly involved in schemes to stop the certification, they were also directly involved in assembling and deploying the mob and the riot that trump thought would do the trick of bullying Pence and congress into dithering, and doing his bidding.
And he wanted to lead the riot.
Your fuhrer’s henchmen did promote the idea of using the Insurrection Act and declaring marshal law.
Trump supporters repeated those claims on this forum. These claims were all over talk radio. And were actively promoted by the likes of Stave Brannon and Alex Jones, all in coordination with both the White House and guys like Rhodes.
I guess you’re going to continue to try and pretend that the “green bay sweep” or the Eastman Memo didn’t exist. Or that Mike Flynn didn’t go around publicly announcing that your fuhrer would declare marshal law.
Keep an eye out for crazy testimony...Mr Rhodes is going forthe dog ate my homeworkit's DJT's fault theory for what he and his assault team did at the Capitol but here's where all of this stands in my opinion. Both he and DJT are guilty in their part on 1/6/21. It's difficult for Me Rhodes to argue his theory based on what he believed and was going to take place that speaks for his actions on 1/6/21. What is important here as much as the trial against Mr Rhodes is the fact that DJT egged all of this on and those arrested so far are pretty much in agreement with that.
Lawyers for Stewart Rhodes, founder of the extremist group, are poised to argue that jurors cannot find him guilty of seditious conspiracy because all the actions he took before the siege on Jan. 6, 2021, were in preparation for orders he anticipated from the then-president — orders that never came.
Rhodes intends to take the stand to argue he believed Trump was going to invoke the Insurrection Act to call up a militia to support him, his lawyers have said. Trump didn’t do that, but Rhodes’ team says that what prosecutors allege was an illegal conspiracy was “actually lobbying and preparation for the President to utilize” the law.
“This is an incredibly complicated defense of theory and I don’t think that it’s ever played out in this fashion in American jurisprudence,” one of Rhodes’ lawyers, James Lee Bright, told The Associated Press.
Sounds like Rhodes' team is making the prosecution's case for them. Yes, he totally worked to overturn the election and interfere with the certification. Check that box. It doesn't matter what he believed. It was wrong and illegal to do what he did.
As the charge is seditious conspiracy, then yes, it does matter the intent of the accused.
Rhodes would like to have you on his jury.Seditious conspiracy is all about intent to use force or violence against the authority of the USA.
Planning a riot isn't sedition.
Are you willing to place a bet on how successful this bullshit will be in helping Rhodes escape a long prison sentence?
Rhodes would like to have you on his jury.
Ignorance of the law is no defense.All the evidence that seems to exist shows that these guys thought Trump was the victim of electoral fraud and that the election of Biden was the real theft.
All he has to do is convince the jurors of that. But that will be difficult because no matter what he argues, there is this pesky set of communications from him saying that the Oath Keepers will act whether Trump was with them or without them. That contradicts his story of what he believed Trump would do.As the charge is seditious conspiracy, then yes, it does matter the intent of the accused.
I sense conviction within three hours of jury getting the charge.Mr Rhodes is going forthe dog ate my homeworkit's DJT's fault theory for what he and his assault team did at the Capitol but here's where all of this stands in my opinion. Both he and DJT are guilty in their part on 1/6/21. It's difficult for Me Rhodes to argue his theory based on what he believed and was going to take place that speaks for his actions on 1/6/21. What is important here as much as the trial against Mr Rhodes is the fact that DJT egged all of this on and those arrested so far are pretty much in agreement with that.
Lawyers for Stewart Rhodes, founder of the extremist group, are poised to argue that jurors cannot find him guilty of seditious conspiracy because all the actions he took before the siege on Jan. 6, 2021, were in preparation for orders he anticipated from the then-president — orders that never came.
Rhodes intends to take the stand to argue he believed Trump was going to invoke the Insurrection Act to call up a militia to support him, his lawyers have said. Trump didn’t do that, but Rhodes’ team says that what prosecutors allege was an illegal conspiracy was “actually lobbying and preparation for the President to utilize” the law.
“This is an incredibly complicated defense of theory and I don’t think that it’s ever played out in this fashion in American jurisprudence,” one of Rhodes’ lawyers, James Lee Bright, told The Associated Press.
It's the statute. The man is also facing other charges that do not require intent to be proven.
That's the statute. That's what the DOJ chose to run with.
I sense conviction within three hours of jury getting the charge.
Hatred, prejudice and stupidity aren't excuses either.Mr Rhodes is going forthe dog ate my homeworkit's DJT's fault theory for what he and his assault team did at the Capitol but here's where all of this stands in my opinion. Both he and DJT are guilty in their part on 1/6/21. It's difficult for Me Rhodes to argue his theory based on what he believed and was going to take place that speaks for his actions on 1/6/21. What is important here as much as the trial against Mr Rhodes is the fact that DJT egged all of this on and those arrested so far are pretty much in agreement with that.
Lawyers for Stewart Rhodes, founder of the extremist group, are poised to argue that jurors cannot find him guilty of seditious conspiracy because all the actions he took before the siege on Jan. 6, 2021, were in preparation for orders he anticipated from the then-president — orders that never came.
Rhodes intends to take the stand to argue he believed Trump was going to invoke the Insurrection Act to call up a militia to support him, his lawyers have said. Trump didn’t do that, but Rhodes’ team says that what prosecutors allege was an illegal conspiracy was “actually lobbying and preparation for the President to utilize” the law.
“This is an incredibly complicated defense of theory and I don’t think that it’s ever played out in this fashion in American jurisprudence,” one of Rhodes’ lawyers, James Lee Bright, told The Associated Press.
And what they all argued was that Trump was robbed due to electoral fraud.
They were claiming that the victory of Biden et. al was the real 'coup.'
You are arguing their defense.
Ok, but that doesn't answer the question, does it now? That's a deflection. They can feel anyway they want, but their violent assault on Congress to overturn the election is sedition.All the evidence that seems to exist shows that these guys thought Trump was the victim of electoral fraud and that the election of Biden was the real theft.
I sense conviction within three hours of jury getting the charge.
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