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Trump announces US to designate Antifa as terrorist organization following violent protests

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Now they will change their name to NotAntifa and not have to worry
 
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How do you tell Antifa apart from other people?
 
Several years too late, not that this move alone does all that much other than up investigations of them.
 
And this will accomplish all of nothing.

Antifa isn't a coherent group; it's nothing more than a loose affiliation of like-minded groups that only coalesce in brief periods of time, entirely as a reactionary element.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
What exactly does that mean?

It appears to mean nothing, as far as I can tell.
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Anyone associated with them can now be legally spied on and no search warranty needed, military can arrest them.

I see some cell phones confiscated in the near future.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
How does it "up" investigations?

Investigations into what, exactly?
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I’m not entirely sure, but my assumption is getting ANTIFA on that list keeps them watched by someone.

What else would be the point?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
And this will accomplish all of nothing.

Antifa isn't a coherent group; it's nothing more than a loose affiliation of like-minded groups that only coalesce in brief periods of time, entirely as a reactionary element.
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This is a “reactionary” response, imo.


Can Proud Boys be far behind?
 
OrphanSlug said:
I’m not entirely sure, but my assumption is getting ANTIFA on that list keeps them watched by someone.

What else would be the point?
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Red meat for the base is the point.

Again, the President doesn't have the power to suspend the Constitution by use of magic words. Declaring them a terrorist group does not take away their rights, nor does it open any additional avenues of investigation.

Do you not think the FBI is already "investigating" ANTIFA - and has been for years now?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
None of this is true.

The President doesn't have the power to suspend the Constitution by saying magic words.
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Do terrorist have Constitutional rights? Are Terrorists protected by the Geneva Convention? | The Rational Animal

We find ourselves at war. But it is not a conventional war against a conventional enemy that flies a flag, or wears a uniform, or protects a border. It is a war against terrorists. But before we consider the rules and laws regarding a war against terrorist let’s look first at a more conventional war.

In World War II when we captured a German or Japanese soldier did we read them their Miranda rights? Did we appoint them a Public Defender? Were they able to appeal their “case” to the US Court system. No? Why not? Because as enemy combatants they were NOT protected by the Constitution, they were protected by the Geneva Convention.
 
Aberro said:
Trump announces US to designate Antifa as terrorist organization following violent protests | Fox News

Couple years late, but better late than never.
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It's just wrong. Antifa is not a terrorist organization and there are ramifications to labeling them as such. They are a militant, left-wing, anti-fascist political activist movement, the same as Aryan Nations, American Freedom Party or Patriot Front are right-wing, militant white supremacist groups.

I'll explain why it is a very bad label to put on any US organization.

If we recall, after the 9/11 terrorist attack on New York, the Patriot Act was formed. Under the 2001 act, groups commit domestic terrorism by engaging in violent acts that "intimidate or coerce a civilian population ... to influence the policy of a government." The Patriot Act was to protect our American soil from foreign terrorists from Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. It was not meant to remove freedom of speech from any American resistant group.

But as of 2019, the FBI definition of domestic terrorism abruptly changed. The Patriot Act now refers to individuals and groups "that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." Broadening that criteria for "domestic terrorism" to any so-called "extreme" categories doesn't just provide the Trump administration with a way to turn Antifa into a political scapegoat, but another opportunity to refocus American fear onto non-existent targets while the real threats continue to wage war on civil society.

By categorizing just one particular group as a 'terrorist' organization, Trump will have the legal ability to silence the voices of anti-fascism groups such as Antifa, which is anti-constitutional because it overrides 'freedom of speech'. If Trump wants to ban freedom of speech, he will have to ban it for all Americans. But perhaps labeling Antifa as a terrorist organization is only the first step in banning the free speech of other organizations like Black Lives Matter or the NAACP.
 
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Aberro said:
Do terrorist have Constitutional rights? Are Terrorists protected by the Geneva Convention? | The Rational Animal

We find ourselves at war. But it is not a conventional war against a conventional enemy that flies a flag, or wears a uniform, or protects a border. It is a war against terrorists. But before we consider the rules and laws regarding a war against terrorist let’s look first at a more conventional war.

In World War II when we captured a German or Japanese soldier did we read them their Miranda rights? Did we appoint them a Public Defender? Were they able to appeal their “case” to the US Court system. No? Why not? Because as enemy combatants they were NOT protected by the Constitution, they were protected by the Geneva Convention.
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And therefor unlawful combatants are to be tried by local legal authority.

Back to square one.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
None of this is true.

The President doesn't have the power to suspend the Constitution by saying magic words.
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That was my impression. There's no domestic terrorism statute on which he can hang his partisan bloviations.

Unless his corrupt AG can mangle one out of some long defunct order.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Red meat for the base is the point.

Again, the President doesn't have the power to suspend the Constitution by use of magic words. Declaring them a terrorist group does not take away their rights, nor does it open any additional avenues of investigation.

Do you not think the FBI is already "investigating" ANTIFA - and has been for years now?
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Calm yourself, I only suggested what being on the list might do... attention... and neither you or I know how far the FBI has gone looking at that group.
 
Aberro said:
Do terrorist have Constitutional rights? Are Terrorists protected by the Geneva Convention? | The Rational Animal

We find ourselves at war. But it is not a conventional war against a conventional enemy that flies a flag, or wears a uniform, or protects a border. It is a war against terrorists. But before we consider the rules and laws regarding a war against terrorist let’s look first at a more conventional war.

In World War II when we captured a German or Japanese soldier did we read them their Miranda rights? Did we appoint them a Public Defender? Were they able to appeal their “case” to the US Court system. No? Why not? Because as enemy combatants they were NOT protected by the Constitution, they were protected by the Geneva Convention.
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Japanese soldiers were not US citizens, and thus did not have constitutional rights, unlike Antifa.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That was my impression. There's no domestic terrorism statute on which he can hang his partisan bloviations.

Unless his corrupt AG can mangle one out of some long defunct order.
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Obama: I am going to be working with Congress where I can to accomplish this, but I am also going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked," he said at an education event at the White House on Thursday. "I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."
 
Jredbaron96 said:
And this will accomplish all of nothing.

Antifa isn't a coherent group; it's nothing more than a loose affiliation of like-minded groups that only coalesce in brief periods of time, entirely as a reactionary element.
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You mean like Islamic radicalism?
 
Irredentist said:
Japanese soldiers were not US citizens, and thus did not have constitutional rights, unlike Antifa.
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They just lost those rights if associated with ANTIFA, terrorist don’t have rights.
You worried?
 
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