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Trump’s border czar says he’s sending National Guard to fight LA anti-ICE protests as clashes continue into second day

The Fraud occurred.
And of course the Democrats are going to lie and deny their crimes.
Don't believe your eyes lol
 
The Fraud occurred.
And of course the Democrats are going to lie and deny their crimes.
Don't believe your eyes lol
60 plus lawsuits and couldn't prove it in court where evidence matters.
 
The president has a duty to protect the ICE employees and federal property.
The far left anarchists were assaulting the ICE employees and the police chief said that they were "overwhelmed"
Trump did the right thing.

Anarchists are by their very definition not far Left.
They are anarchists.

an·ar·chy
/ˈanərkē/

a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority or other controlling systems.

Some incredibly naive people on the Left still think anarchists are their friends, until they find out otherwise.
Thankfully that number is declining and eventually anarchists will realize that they are alone.

 
The Fraud occurred.
And of course the Democrats are going to lie and deny their crimes.
Don't believe your eyes lol

You never addressed the facts in Lost not Stolen


Instead you posted about your suspicions, which we both realize aren't facts.
 
You know we're talking about the 2020 election, don't you?
 
Evidence Trump told Capitol Police to use whatever was necessary to make it a peaceful protest?
 
Why did Kamala get 15 million fewer votes than Joe Biden did in the 2020 election?
Were did those 15 million voters go?
A lot of Democrats didn't vote for president. IMO, largely due to the way the Democratic party hid Biden's mental decline and the way they hand picked Harris to run against Trump.
 
How do you verify 150 million ballots?
You can't
That is the beauty of the Democrat 2020 election rigging
But you can do a statistical analysis
There are a bunch improbable statistics
I don't expect the Democrats to ever fess up, because they a liars and cheaters
 
And again, there's no evidence Pelosi told him to say that. Look, I get you really, really want to pin this on Pelosi, but you're gonna have to do better than that.
 

First, who knew in advance that they would break into inside the Capitol?

Second, there was no testimony because there's no sense in blaming them for what trump did.
 
Also, there are many examples of protesters placing flowers at the feet of soldiers and assisting them when overcome by tear gas
 
Anyone with common sense. When you do not have proper security in place for the size crowd especially protestors things will get out of hand. You have professional trouble makers who will incite violence if not reigned in immediately. Even Pelosi admitted this when driving away from Jan 6th. Why didn't we have proper security in place. They were very lucky these were protestors who got out of control and not violent insurrectionist. With the amount of guns in this country the fact the only person shot was an unarmed woman was only due to the fact these were protesters out of control. Even a single teenager could kill a dozen people if that was the intention.
 
Well since the DC National Guard reported directly to Trump, it was Trump's responsibility to ensure the Guard was there, earlier that day.
Trump did his job. He let the people in charge of security know that he was on board with using the NG even the military to keep the protest peaceful. It was the so called professionals who refused to use the NG or put proper security in place that was the cause of the violence. Read the transcripts and learn the truth already.
 
She took responsibility for not having the Capitol Police not being better prepared. She didn't take responsibility for there not being National Guard present. And why would she since she had no authority to have them there?
Wrong. She says why weren't the NG there from the start. Listen to what she said. You have to open your eyes and be willing to hear the truth if you want to see and hear the truth.
 
You haven't read it.

They explain the court cases in six awing states, not the entire country. They verified facts and numbers. They write about:

1. Claims that Dominion Voting Machines Were Manipulated
2. Claims that Ballots Were Not Properly Counted.
3. Claims that Unsolicited Mail-In Ballots Were Sent to Voters.
4. Claims that Voter-Eligibility Requirements Were Not Enforced.
5. Claims that Ballot Drop Boxes Were Not Fairly Located Throughout the State.
6. Claims that Poll Officials Failed to Carefully Monitor the Election Count.

and that's just Arizona.

They have the fact and explanations and you could too.
Please read even just a small portion and tell me why they're wrong.
 
I just showed you the stand-down orders.
Open your eyes.

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Trump is not waiting for incompetent people to let another Jan 6th happen. He is ending the NG before it gets out of control. A job well done in my opinion. It is time to start arresting criminals in order to insure peaceful protesting. Proper security stops the problem before it happens. That is why Trump told the people in charge of security the NG even the military are available and should be used. I want a peaceful protest. Jan 6th nobody listened and we saw the results. Not this time or any more. Thank goodness.
 
Why do I have to tell you there's only two times in that document where the Capitol Police are even mentioned, and in neither case, is it in terms of Trump telling Capitol Police to use whatever was necessary to make it a peaceful protest.

  • Walker’s General Counsel, Colonel Earl Matthews: “We were seeing the Congress of the United States being overrun, and the Guard – and the Capitol Police, the MPD, they need help. We had people at the D.C. Armory who are able to help, and they’re not moving. They’re not allowed to move.”

  • DCNG Command Sergeant Major Michael Brooks: “They were ready to go, and they just couldn’t understand why they were still sitting there. Literally sitting on a bus, just waiting to drive to the Capitol and do the best they could do to support Capitol Police.”

Is pitiful really the best you can do?
 
Anyone with common sense.

Name one. What evidence do you have that Pelosi knew they would break in and get inside the Capitol. Name the person who knew in advance. Facts please.


You're not aware of what happened? You don't think many were violent? Start over and clarify what you understand about the violence that day.


With the amount of guns in this country the fact the only person shot was an unarmed woman was only due to the fact these were protesters out of control. Even a single teenager could kill a dozen people if that was the intention.

Many were carrying weapons and firearms inside the Capitol, but that's not the question here.

Can you find something more substantial than your story above?

Pelosi did not lie about election fraud. That's why you can't blame Pelosi for what trump did because the reason his supporters showed up was because they believed his lies about fraud.

J6 21 could not have possibly happened without trump. You can't blame Pelosi for anything trump did.

Please specify the name of who knew in advance that the protesters would go inside the Capitol building. If you say Pelosi, that will need a clear citation.
 
I read it. And there's no mention of Trump offering the Capitol Police Board National Guard assistance. Trump, however, was the leader. That makes it his responsibility to ensure there was proper security. He failed. Miserably.
 
Wrong. She says why weren't the NG there from the start. Listen to what she said. You have to open your eyes and be willing to hear the truth if you want to see and hear the truth.
Nope, when she said she took responsibility, they were talking about the Capitol Police. Sucks for you, I know.
 
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