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Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case


the ridiculous thing is people think he is guilty for not following an "order" to not follow, when the dispatch also told him seconds before he ran to "let me know if he does anything else"


So how do I tell them what else he is doing when he just ran out of site?

he immediately started following - for the first time - to obey that request. then when he was told he didn't have to, he said "ok". he stopped following and started heading back to his truck as he continued talking to the police and explaining where to meet at.

show me some real evidence that can prove that is not what happened.
 
ARealConservative said:
which officer by name cited stand your ground as the reason to not arrest? do you have that link?
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Christ, let's not get hung up on THAT. The poster didn't read the link I posted and made a completely wrong assumption. Zimmerman's attorney says it is simply a matter of self-defense . . . SYG has absolutely nothing to do with it. Read the link.
 

Where does he say, "Let me know if he does anything else"?? And how is this some kind of ORDER to do anything?

And why are you talking about things I personally have never asserted and deflecting to something else? Respond to my post.
 
Muhammed said:
I listened to the 911 call. Actually, Zimmerman was never ordered to stop following Martin.
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But he was informed that follkwing Martin wasn't necessary.

Making his subsequent actions purely his own responsibility.
 

Wait wait wait...

So you're saying that Martin would have been justified in shooting Zimmerman, who is MUCH larger than Martin, for "coming up on him"?

Then by simple extension it would certainly have been ok for Martin to punch him in the nose.
 
MaggieD said:
Where does he say, "Let me know if he does anything else"??
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

please read the full transcript

pay special attention to the statements everyone likes to leave out right before, and right after the highlighted part.

And how is this some kind of ORDER to do anything?
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it isn't. but either is the suggestion to not follow later.

And why are you talking about things I personally have never asserted and deflecting to something else? Respond to my post.
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I am. you claimed he was following slowly in the car, the 911 tape does not prove this. the only time we know for sure he followed was immediately after the teen ran.
 
ARealConservative said:
I am. you claimed he was following slowly in the car, the 911 tape does not prove this. the only time we know for sure he followed was immediately after the teen ran.
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So he was just sitting in his driveway in his car when he saw Martin , but had to get out to see the street sign to see what street he was on? Yeah, that sounds right...lol
 

The girlfriends relation of a verbal exchange that wasn't mentioned by Zimmerman in HIS version of events.

Remember, Martin was on a headset, and there was no reason Zimmerman would have known he was on the phone at the time of the conversation.

And the scuffle, according to the girlfriend, began immediately after the verbal exchange. Yet Zims statement would lead one to believe he had lost Martin, was walking back to his truck to meet police, and was attacked from behind.

I'd love to see an actual timeline of all the calls and when what was said was said.
 

Yeah, I don't know where I got that he was following in his car. He must have just driven past him...a dozen times.

That 911 transcript is damning. "We don't need you to follow him." . . . "Okay"

"He's running." That spells scared. Maybe not to you, but to the rest of the world it does.

And from "He's running" Zimmerman exits the car and ends up shooting the kid. Nope. This guy's in a hot mess.

Don't exit the car? Meet the LEOs as instructed? Wait for their call? Kid lives. Play copper in an unmarked car . . . no uniform . . . kid dies. What is the immediate precursor to the kid getting shot???? Zimmerman getting out of his damn car and following the guy. The guy was scared...as well he should have been.
 
ARealConservative said:
evidence suggests that Zimmerman did not fire his weapon until after the adult male witness he was screaming to for help went inside and locked the doors and called for 911 (which Zimmerman had already done).
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George Zimmerman has to be the poster boy for 911 calls. Given the frequency with which he called, I'm surprised they just didn't give him his own direct line - maybe 666 instead of 911.
 

Well, Trayvon Martin is dead. There's one piece of real evidence.
 

The president said what this case is about - RACE. Martin is the right race. Zimmerman is the wrong race.

And yes, the law needs to represent the goal of Obama and public opinion. The law needs to make it clear that anyone may beat to death any Latino that annoys them or calls the police on them. It should be clear that African-American Martin had an absolute right to kill Zimmerman for calling the police on him.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, Trayvon Martin is dead. There's one piece of real evidence.
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Most agree it should be Zimmerman who is dead. Its even been posted on this forum a hope that someone stages a way to murder Zimmerman. The government also quickly released Zimmerman's address and phone number, who fled after this. The President, Justice Department, media and police have expressed no objections to death threats against the whole Zimmerman family - both fi which had to flee their house.

It is being made clear the goal is to prove that Martin is the right race, and Spanish speaking Latino Zimmerman is the wrong race. Even the African-American members of his family are wrong for marrying into and associating with wrong-race people.
 

Well, I would have preferred that nobody died. But given a choice between a hothead with a criminal record who instigated the confrontation and the 17 year old kid walking down the street, I'd opt for the instigator.
 

Could you provide a link where the President said this was about race? Personally, I thought the '****ing coon' statement pretty much established it was about race.
 
TheNextEra said:
Sorry, but you are wrong there. For instance, if a gang banger comes up to me that is bigger, I can and will shoot him. That would be legal.
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I think shooting anyone that looks like a gang banger is part of the problem in this case. If someone came up to me, pulled out a pack of cigarettes from his waistband, and asked me for a light, I would probably just light it for him. You seem to be saying that it would be legal to shoot him when he reaches into his waistband as long as he looks sufficiently scary.

TheNextEra said:
I know you feel strongly about this dana, but it is not cut and dry or Zimmerman would have been arrested and tried as guilty by now if it were that simple.
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Yes, it certainly isn't cut and dry at this point, and I thank you and others on this forum for defending Zimmerman because it currently is a very unpopular stance. There certainly isn't enough evidence yet to be sure of anything. Seems like stupidity wasn't in short supply for either of the two involved. But the legal determinations of the actions taken that night are now in the hands of the system, and I am grateful for that.

But the Sanford police department has had a history of trying to sweep white on black violence under the carpet, and therefore disagree with you that IF Zimmerman was guilty that he would necessarily have been arrested and charged by now. I don't know that the police involved with this case were not absolutely fair and unbiased, but I know for a fact that they definitely weren't thorough. Where is Zimmerman's alcohol test, his toxicology screen, a check of the phone that the deceased was carrying, an attempt to extensively interrogate the shooter?

Is the Sanford police department biased in its investigations? I guarantee you that I don't have any idea. But it is a question that needs to be looked at. And in the long run, I think that answer is much more important to us all than the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman.

Before unarmed black teen was shot, Fla. city’s blacks complained of bias in police department


Focus on the case, not their race
 
Wiggen said:
Well, I would have preferred that nobody died. But given a choice between a hothead with a criminal record who instigated the confrontation and the 17 year old kid walking down the street, I'd opt for the instigator.
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So you agree. If a Latino calls the police on an African-American, that Latino is an instigator that may be beaten to death - and you wish he had been. Latinos are the new n....rs. All African-Americans and nearly all Democrats agree.
 


Correct. The uproar is about an inept police dept. Some here have already twisted this around to make Martin look like he hauled Zimmerman out of his car while he was sitting in his driveway.

Yes, this should be settled in a trial but the feds will have to come in and take charge over the Barney Fifes.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, Trayvon Martin is dead. There's one piece of real evidence.
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Keep your focus on, the lethal force situation where you need to shoot. Keep all other superfluous BS (racist, alleged bad detective work, etc, etc) and stick to the point

If you carry a firearm and decide to use it, you are in a deadly force situation where you need to shoot to *STOP*, NOT kill and not wound.

The entire purpose of your using deadly force is to halt the perpetrator from completing whatever action it is he or she is doing that was putting you in fear for your life.....IN FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE. Period.

Zimmerman's goal was not to kill him. Thats a big difference...

Shooting to kill even if, the person has stopped whatever it was he was doing you had already decided this person must die and you weren't going to stop for anything less or if you were only shooting to wound then obviously you weren't really in fear for your life at the time you shot and therefore you must have used excessive force and you now become the primary aggressor.

Shooting to wound and shooting to kill are not acceptable practices in the civilian or even LEO area. Both will likely get you arrested, sent to prison, and sued

You shoot to stop the threat--if it wounds him, good. If it kills him, that's the price he pays for his actions. Either way the threat is stopped, and that's the bottom line.

Zimmerman did no wrong in that particular situation
 
Apparently the police have a witness to the entire altercation and that will be included in the evidence presented to the grand jury in 2 weeks.
 
ric27 said:
Zimmerman did no wrong in that particular situation
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Total utter nonsense. But you have already made your decision on this case.
It will be decided in a court of law once the feds take over.
 
Crosscheck said:
Total utter nonsense. But you have already made your decision on this case.
It will be decided in a court of law once the feds take over.
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Yeah, the Feds have no business down there as they have 0 jurisdiction and no federal crime has taken place.

Case goes to the grand jury on the 10th of April.
 
Crosscheck said:
Total utter nonsense. But you have already made your decision on this case.
It will be decided in a court of law once the feds take over.
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What part don't you understand...where Zimmerman shot to stop the threat, which Zimmerman felt was an iminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to himself??
 
ARealConservative said:
which officer by name cited stand your ground as the reason to not arrest? do you have that link?
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Forgive me for butting in, I know you didn't ask me, but this is one of the most important questions of the entire affair.


That quote is from Sanford police chief Bill Lee.

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
 
Wiggen said:
Could you provide a link where the President said this was about race? Personally, I thought the '****ing coon' statement pretty much established it was about race.
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"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said during a press gathering in the Rose Garden, after he was asked about the incident that has sparked national debate.

Obama: Trayvon Martin Could Be My Son : People.com
 
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