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Can another possibility be that they weren't sure what type of impairment they would want? *snip* Do you know of any transabled people who are unsure what type of impairment that they are seeking, or that they don't know exactly where they might want the impairment?
Thank you for sharing this.
Is BIID more about the disability, or the identification with those disabled in the way you desire. In other words, do you think it originates physically, or emotionally. I'm betting you'll say both--is one predominant?
I found Bracy's comment intriguing.The other, older post may be found here:
Red pill, blue pill transabled.org Blogging about BIID
It seems he sees BIID as a coping mechanism. That seems similar to what I've read about anorexia.On 12 October, 2008, Bracy said:
It’s a gift.
How many people run around, frittering & wasting time, trying to get SUVs & married women & drugs & money - the things TV sells us, all of which lead only to emptiness & disillusion?
As I’ve said before in talking about existentialism & absurdism, BIID gives us meaning - meaning which a lot of people continually seek but never find.
We have a meaningful quest, and at the end, a meaningful reward proven so by some of us & our predecessors. It gives us both purpose and satisfaction.
If I lost it, I’m certain I’d become a coke freak (sorry - gotta be honest here).
I found Bracy's comment intriguing.
It seems he sees BIID as a coping mechanism. That seems similar to what I've read about anorexia.
You gotta be crazy to want to chop off your weiner.
That's not what I've read--there are varying "levels" of identification in BIID just as there are in GID. Some BIID people are perfectly fine to just "pass" as disabled, just as some GID are fine with passing.
This, also, I think is premature to identify as a "conclusion." There is little information for such a definitive statement as your last sentence indicates.
It seems that the conclusion Captain and you are pointing to is that male and female are common "normal" states whereas things like BIID aims for a "dysfunctional" state. Why would it be fine to treat an identity disorder in one instance with complying with the identity perception and not in another case? As one respondent in the study stated, "We don’t do liposuction on anorexics. So why amputate the genitals of these patients?"
Captain, I'm sorry to contradict you, but your understanding is innacurate. BIID sufferers want to get to one point, and one point only. We want to align our psyche with our bodies. Unfortunately, the psyche isn't responding to any methods, we are therefore left with changing the body. It is not a question of identifying with an outside group, it is a question of internal identity and body-image.
A feeling of intense jealousy at the sight of someone who has the impairment required.
Yeah, but... The only reason that there is no such data is because the research hasn't been done. I'm not saying that there necessarily *is* genetic component, but I'm saying you can't argue that there is NOT. We simply do not have the data to state categorically one way or the other.
For what it's worth, Dr. V.S.Ramachandran (a world reknown neurologist) and Dr. P. McGeoch at the University of San Diego in California have uncovered incongruities in the MRI brain scan of several individuals with BIID that they studied. The research has not been released yet that I am aware of, but having participated in the study myself, I know that they've found something.
This statement shows a misunderstanding both of BIID and of the experience of living with a disability. BIID sufferers want to be whole, and the only way to accomplish that at this point is by removing limbs, doing spinal cord transections, etc. We are not after "illness", nor even "disability". We are after having an impairment. If society makes that impairment disabling, then, we have to put up with that, but becoming "disabled" is not the goal. I made the previous statement assuming that you are aware of the differences between social models and medical models of disabilities. If not, a primer can be found on my site: Impairment vs. Disability - BIID-Info.org
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... What we gain is a feeling of wholeness, of rightness. When it comes to interacting with other people, we can do it from a position of internal and emotional strength.
You're mixing and matching stuff here Captain, don't confuse the issue. People who have OCD don't do the things they do because of a need for acceptance.
Self-injurers are repeaters of actions.
Those of us with BIID who have managed to acquire the impairment they needed saw their anguish and need gone overnight. They state, almost universally that the only thing they regret is to not have done it sooner.
I'll give you that BIID might *look* like other conditions, such as BDD (anorexia for example), but there are some quite distinct differences.
As stated earlier, there is evidence of neurological changes in the brain of people who have BIID. There is also changes in skin conductivity above the required level of amputation/injury and below it - something that apparently can't be faked...
That is, indeed, one of the strongest arguments here "against" BIID. There is no "natural biological state of being an amputee or paraplegic". But then, there are many congenital conditions that have people born paralysed (CP, Spina Bifida), or amputees (technically not amputees, but missing limbs). It is not inconceivable that our brain's body map has something screwy, for whatever reason, that makes us see ourselves the way we do. The fact that "disability is not a natural state" (even if you buy that argument) doesn't make the condition any less real or disabling.
Of course there is a political bend to the research into BIID. Researchers need to be funded, funders have political leanings. Doh! Doesn't mean that research is not appropriate.
If you're serious about reading up on BIID, I invite you to spend some time on biid-info.org. If there are papers there that you can't get your hands on, or papers that have not yet been uploaded, please feel free to contact me directly and I'll pass them on to you.
I invite anyone who is genuinely interested in learning more about BIID to come by my blog, transabled.org Blogging about BIID and read up there, and contact me by email Contact transabled.org Blogging about BIID
I've been to the first site and several others. I saw a documentary that chronicled the disorder some time ago and it got me interested. I haven't done much research, though, and you have been quite informative.
Cheers
. Issues do not remain after SRT.
Is there a way to test the brain chemistry other than through autopsy. If so--THAT should be a criteria for SRT.A GID already is the gender that SRT will accomplish for them.
I read something that suggested BIID was very like Phantom Limb, but only in reverse. That would be the same sort of brain chemistry issue that you are citing as why GID should be surgically treated.A BIID sufferer is not impaired prior to any surgery.
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I hear this. My only issue with it is that it still differs from GID in the sense that it is a created body alteration, whereas GID matches brain biology to body structure. I have a hard time understanding how someone can be born with brain/neuro biology that defines them as impaired. We know that gender biology is rooted in several core biological constructs. Impairment is not.
I think the whole whole tranny issue is no different than someone who thinks he is a duck or two people.Giving some one a sex change operation to someone who thinks he is a she or a she who is a he would be like giving someone with multiple personality disorder multiple birth certificates and IDs and calling them cured of their mental disorder or attaching some prosthetic wings and gluing some feathers on someone who thinks they are a duck and calling them cured. You are not curing you them, all you are doing is facilitating their mental disorder and calling them cured when in reality they are still ****ed up in the head. So attaching fake boobs on a man,chopping his penis off and giving him some hormone to make him look less masculine is just facilitating his mental disorder. Facilitating mental disorders instead of actually curing them should be considered a highly unethical practice by the mental health association not a treatment.
Quoted for truth. We are really doing these people a disservice by not recognizing transgenderness as a mental illness. They need psychiatric treatment, not boobs.
That is the whole point of what it means to be transexual... you have a gender identity that is not compatible with your physical sex.
Their physical sex is reality, and for some reason the mind does not accept reality. This is obviously a mental illness, and they need treatment to help them accept reality. I'm not sure exactly when in medicine it became acceptable to alter reality in order to be in line with the delusion of a mentally ill patient, but it's wrong.
Riiiight.
And you, in conjunction with- haha- Jamesrage, would be in a better position to make that determination than the APA and the entire national and international medical and mental health community.
:lol:
Their physical sex is reality, and for some reason the mind does not accept reality. This is obviously a mental illness, and they need treatment to help them accept reality. I'm not sure exactly when in medicine it became acceptable to alter reality in order to be in line with the delusion of a mentally ill patient, but it's wrong.
Their physical sex is reality, and for some reason the mind does not accept reality. This is obviously a mental illness, and they need treatment to help them accept reality. I'm not sure exactly when in medicine it became acceptable to alter reality in order to be in line with the delusion of a mentally ill patient, but it's wrong.
The problem isn't that GIDs or BIIDs have a delusion, its that you aren't capable of accepting the reality that they have a concrete identity.
I think there is yet much to learn on the topics and it is evident that gender identity (and in all likelihood BIID, also) is indeed at least SOMETIMES a delusion that is the result of a diseased brain.
I think there is yet much to learn on the topics and it is evident that gender identity (and in all likelihood BIID, also) is indeed at least SOMETIMES a delusion
that is the result of a diseased brain.
Changes noted before amputation. So if someone needs an amputation 3" above the knee, the skin conductivity will be different when measured above and below the required amputation level.As stated earlier, there is evidence of neurological changes in the brain of people who have BIID. There is also changes in skin conductivity above the required level of amputation/injury and below it - something that apparently can't be faked...
This is interesting. Are these changes noted before or after an impairment occurs?
And, in no way, am I diminishing the disabling effect of BIID.
AndThey obviously do in some cases as indicated by those that go back to their birth sex with mutilated organs. Removal of organs is extreme--perhaps it's appropriate in some cases, but I certainly think it may be too available due to those things Lightdemon and I were discussing about comorbidity of illness. Once the operation is done, there is no going back to the healthy natural state. And that's true for BIID and GID.Issues do not remain after SRT.
People who are against this... a lot of them think that some people with an idea go out and get their sex changed all willy nilly. It's an incredibly expensive, mentally and physically demanding process that involves many screening processes. Doctors who know how to perform this special kind of surgery will not permit you to do it without proof that you have received substantial psychological assessment. You basically have to get the ok from many doctors, and they don't give it easily.
Their physical sex is reality, and for some reason the mind does not accept reality. This is obviously a mental illness, and they need treatment to help them accept reality. I'm not sure exactly when in medicine it became acceptable to alter reality in order to be in line with the delusion of a mentally ill patient, but it's wrong.
Australian researchers have identified a significant link between a gene involved in testosterone action and male transsexualism.
They obviously do in some cases as indicated by those that go back to their birth sex with mutilated organs. Removal of organs is extreme--perhaps it's appropriate in some cases, but I certainly think it may be too available due to those things Lightdemon and I were discussing about comorbidity of illness. Once the operation is done, there is no going back to the healthy natural state. And that's true for BIID and GID.
Quoted for truth. We are really doing these people a disservice by not recognizing transgenderness as a mental illness. They need psychiatric treatment, not boobs.
Their physical sex is reality, and for some reason the mind does not accept reality. This is obviously a mental illness, and they need treatment to help them accept reality. I'm not sure exactly when in medicine it became acceptable to alter reality in order to be in line with the delusion of a mentally ill patient, but it's wrong.
Just because at this point in human history a group of psychiatrists make a determination, does not mean it is correct. Look at the history of science and psychiatry and see how many times things once taken to be true have been proven wrong. You'd probably be in the crowd of people burning a guy at the stake for spreading the blasphemy that the Earth is not the center of the universe.
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