Stu Ghatze
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Stu Ghatze said:Democratic senator from Iowa, Tom Harkin fears Rush Limbaugh's support of our soldiers in Iraq.
Apparently the good senator prefers that our soldiers be entreated by epithets such as terrorists themselves, torturers, murderers, & baby killers?
Hey Tommy, ...the majority of our servicemen KNOW who support them, & the military, & they also know & recognize the people like you who do nothing but tear them down at every opportunity!
Paladin said:Harkin Bio
Both Dem. Sen Tom Harkin and Rep. Sen Charles Grassley serve all their constituents, no matter what party that constituency is from.
Both men also serve this country as honorable public servants as chairmen of senate committees.
You two might want to quote some sort of proof before posting libelous statements.
ted
Stu Ghatze said:...libel....? Good God man, I said nothing remotely associated to libel...
galenrox said:...we're the same place that elected Chuck Grassley, a far right wing republican, as our other senator (and he's a fantastic one too, although his campaigns are pure bullshit, but he's really there for the workers)...
Stu Ghatze said:Libel....?:smile: Good God man, I said nothing remotely associated to libel. The man Harkin went on an hour long dissertation in the senate about Rush Limbaugh having air-time to our soldiers, & HE did not like it that Limbaugh has access to our soldiers via the air-waves!
Pity, ..IF it was left up to liberals like Harkins, ..our soldiers would be engaging in self flagellation.
Limbaugh HONORS our soldiers, & NEVER tears them down....something that MANY senate democrats cannot say.
galenrox said:Dude, you're talking about my senator, and he is well loved here in Iowa. And unless there's a left wing equivalent being offered to the soldiers too, then I fully understand why he's opposed to Limbaugh being played over there, sending them into war and then forcing them to listen to propaganda, christ, have you lost your damn mind? Oh wait, my bad, dumb question.
He is a great representative of this state, which is not a leftist state, which would raise the question to your logic that if he's such a leftist, how come he was elected in Iowa? I mean, we're the same place that elected Chuck Grassley, a far right wing republican, as our other senator (and he's a fantastic one too, although his campaigns are pure bullshit, but he's really there for the workers).
And I must say, I believe we as a whole are a frickin ton smarter than you.
Stu Ghatze said:Democratic senator from Iowa, Tom Harkin fears Rush Limbaugh's support of our soldiers in Iraq.
Apparently the good senator prefers that our soldiers be entreated by epithets such as terrorists themselves, torturers, murderers, & baby killers?
Hey Tommy, ...the majority of our servicemen KNOW who support them, & the military, & they also know & recognize the people like you who do nothing but tear them down at every opportunity!
galenrox said:I've got an honest serious question, and I want an honest serious answer. Can you read? and the follow up, do you have some sort of birth defect or mental disorder that doesn't allow you to process information?
I just ask because you MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY
I was noting that unless they have a leftist equivilent, then it's nothing but propaganda. Like, if they'll play the young turks or Ed Shulz or Stephanie Miller over there too, I have no issue with Rush being played, the idea is balance, if someone's a leftist, let them be a leftist, and vice versa, but only allowing broadcasts from people who think favorably of the president and the war is flat out plain and simple propaganda.
Stu Ghatze said:...Harkin is probably bitter that our military personnel do not hate Bush...
galenrox said:damn, you're in Iowa too, I didn't notice that. Where's Urbandale?
galenrox said:As someone who listens to PBS a lot, they try to be unbiased. It's not really possible, but they make a valiant effort.?
galenrox said:As someone who listens to PBS a lot, they try to be unbiased. It's not really possible, but they make a valiant effort.
That is interesting though. That's why I asked, I honestly have no idea what other radio shows they have.
But one thing is that PBS doesn't ever outright say "Bush is bad" or "The war was wrong" etc. I mean it's obvious where they stand, but Limbaugh is a blatant conservative while PBS is moreso closet liberals. I'm curious if anyone knows if there's anyone on the radio over there regularly stating clear opposition to the president and to the war, you know, the opposite of Limbaugh. I don't doubt they'd listen to Limbaugh more, I don't kid myself about the general politics of the army, but I think the option should be available.
But yeah, do you know?
And not to be a dick, but where did you get those numbers?
galenrox said:I've got an honest serious question, and I want an honest serious answer. Can you read? and the follow up, do you have some sort of birth defect or mental disorder that doesn't allow you to process information?
I just ask because you MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY
I was noting that unless they have a leftist equivilent, then it's nothing but propaganda. Like, if they'll play the young turks or Ed Shulz or Stephanie Miller over there too, I have no issue with Rush being played, the idea is balance, if someone's a leftist, let them be a leftist, and vice versa, but only allowing broadcasts from people who think favorably of the president and the war is flat out plain and simple propaganda.
Stu Ghatze said:..some of your liberal democratic senators opined that terrorists should be granted with "constitutional" rights (Dick Durbin)..& that some senate democrats even said our servicemen were as bad as the terrorists themselves! (Dick Durbin again)
Paladin said:If you want to go with off-topic comments, here are a couple.
The chairman of the Iowa Republican party called anyone who disagrees with Bush "unpatriotic".
The former SecofEd Rod Paige said supporters of the National Education Association (teachers) are terrorists.
Only proves that there are knuckleheads on both sides. But I can only find dem/libs who are willing to admit their mistakes. Rep/cons try to justify their foibles.
ted
galenrox said:Dude, you're talking about my senator, and he is well loved here in Iowa. And unless there's a left wing equivalent being offered to the soldiers too, then I fully understand why he's opposed to Limbaugh being played over there, sending them into war and then forcing them to listen to propaganda, christ, have you lost your damn mind? Oh wait, my bad, dumb question.
He is a great representative of this state, which is not a leftist state, which would raise the question to your logic that if he's such a leftist, how come he was elected in Iowa? I mean, we're the same place that elected Chuck Grassley, a far right wing republican, as our other senator (and he's a fantastic one too, although his campaigns are pure bullshit, but he's really there for the workers).
And I must say, I believe we as a whole are a frickin ton smarter than you.
Stu Ghatze said:OFF TOPICS? Hardly, they are excellent examples of a "twisted" fairness doctrine that liberal democrats engage themselves in, ..& I might add, Quite appropriate here as well to display!
Harkin might have well said it this way: "Us liberals demand equal time, even though the soldiers do not want to listen to us; ..so we can air a show that espouses hating Bush"!
To the liberal thats called; "fairness"...& what they would call honest dissertation!:smile:
Paladin said:The topic was about Harkin and Limbaugh. You brought up Durbin. That is off topic and you managed to drag at least one other down that road with you (me).
Harkin didn't say that, you jumped to conclusions and tried to interpret his words to fit your argument and way of thinking. And then you made a generalization about how all dem/libs feel and think. If I was to debate the same way, I would allude to that being the debate style of all rep/cons.
ted
galenrox said:I'll check it out, I didn't know that
The thing is, I try not to be a dick, but naturally I am a dick, and thus I come across as a crappy dick (oooh, that sounds dirty)
I listened to NPR a bunch before I got Sirius radio, and maybe just cause I'm in a red state, but they never had anyone on who outrightly spoke out for liberal causes, and they did have people come out and outrightly speak for conservative causes, but that was just because it was so damn obvious that they were all liberals.
galenrox said:Dude, to be perfectly honest, I don't know anything about what they play over there. AlbqOwl already pointed that out.
I was pointing out in the situation which I incorrectly assumed was going on, which was that they wanted to play Limbaugh and not liberal equivalents, that would be propaganda. It's clear that's not what's going on, so I was wrong.
Still support Harkin, still don't understand why people keep going out trying to tell me what I should think of my senators, and I once again stand corrected.
Stu Ghatze said:I NEVER said that Harkin said it
Stu Ghatze said:but it is OBVIOUS he fears having our soldiers having access to Limbaugh.
Stu Ghatze said:Why is Harkin so worried about those soldiers who want to exercize THEIR rights to listen to what, & who THEY choose?
Stu Ghatze said:I thought "liberalism" was all about free thinking? Yea, ..as long as its confined to "liberalist" views, ...right?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I just heard on Limbaugh that Harkin didn't even serve in Vietnam, as he had claimed, he lied about his war record he was stationed in Japan. I think Tommy boy may have bit off more than he can chew by taking on Limbaugh.
debate_junkie said:Hmm and I recall Mr. Limbaugh having to resign from ESPN because he tried to take on Donovan McNabb, calling him an overrated quaterback in the NFL with much hype because he is what.. oh yeah black. Nice, I'm glad you can give creedance to what Father Dittohead has to say. :roll:
http://espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html
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