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To the Gun Control Crowd: Who do you think we should rely on for our defense?

Just for the record your "assault weapon" is a legal firearm. It is a made up term. https://www.quotes.net/quote/17826
Shotguns and handguns are piss poor at let us say 100-250 yards.
 
Visbek said:
"Civil unrest?" Seriously?

Are there monthly riots in your neighborhood? Are you preparing for The Purge?
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Grid goes down for whatever reason and won't soon be up,than yeah CIVIL UNREST big time.
 
What is clear is that you can have a gun for self defense and there can be more gun control than we have now. They are not mutually exclusive
 
Praxas said:
Not one that I can think of at home or if I were outside that wasn’t outlandish like having an entire 100 man biker gang showing up at my house or something. What probable situation can you think of that ONLY an ar-15 is needed?
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I'll take "impossible and imaginary situations that demonstrate that gun owners were right and liberals want all guns banned for $200, Alex."
 

I do not have a problem with the carry principle on guns in theory. How we are putting it in PRACTICE however, I do have a problem with. First off, a bunch of assholes strutting around at Kroger strapped with high powered rifles is what some people would refer to as "menacing", particularly in the specific "Kroger" incidents I am referencing.

I also have a problem with letting just anyone open carry or concealed carry. With rights come enormous responsibility, so I am in favor of applicants demonstrating commensurate responsibility before just handing them the ability to open carry or concealed carry.
Personally I believe concealed carry is far smarter (and more civilized) than open carry anyway, and that more people should be allowed to conceal-carry than open carry, even though that goes against popular trends which encourage open carry.
But that's just me, and I am not in charge, so I may be in the distinct minority on that one.

You say that a right is not something that requires taking classes, passing tests or paying user fees.
That means that you believe that guns are no different than chewing gum.
Sorry, but that's an unsustainable zero-compromise position, which is partly what fuels the latest fringe of shrill advocates for total bans. They've given up on compromise and rational discussion because it is clear that no compromise or discussion will be tolerated. Enjoy the dogma but it's not going to last.
Keep pushing the slippery slope tropes and they will become self fulfilling prophecy.
All the while, you could count on support from both left and right for something that meets in the middle but if you're going to throw that support overboard you will finally run up head on against equally immovable objects on the other extreme end.

I just want you to understand that not everyone who wants some controls is ON that extreme end, and that your zero compromise position is what fuels their equally hardcore opposition.
 
Cardinal said:
Based on your actual question, I'm thinking you should use your mod powers to change your thread title to, "To the Gun Banning Crowd: Who do you think we should rely on for our defense?"
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Even those that carry guns legally cant carry them everywhere.

There are gun-free zones, federal buildings, sometimes when traveling out of state, etc.
 

What good is a gun if you cant have it when you need it, or you dont have enough bullets to take on multiple attackers, for example?

Is the only place you think you'll face violence in your home?
 
Praxas said:
I use the term clips, but for you grammar Nazis out there, Magazines. Does that make you feel better?
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It tends to be more of an indicator of the more accurate and better educated on firearms.

For instance, the media uses 'clips' all the time...so much for their credibility.
 
jimbo said:
That's the point. You should be able to defend your home with anything you want or can afford. Shotgun, AR15 style, hand gun, rocks, or wait for the police. I won't stop you. I'm going to defend my right to do the same.
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Or whatever you shoot best, have the best accuracy with.
 
Praxas said:
So you think I'm BSing because I said "clips" instead of "magazines", got it. I'm sure you are a legend in your own mind.
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It legitimately affects credibility.

People can use any term they want.
 
Cardinal said:
Words mean the things that they mean, rather than whatever the voices in your head tell you they mean. I have little doubt there will be somebody thick enough to fall for this bait thread and keep you entertained for a bit.
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Assuming your mistaken assessment is true, look who bit first!
 

@_@

If you are on the pro-gun side....please stop "helping."
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Assuming your mistaken assessment is true, look who bit first!
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*Shrug.* Hey, what can I do? I laid down the warning right where everybody could see it. If others want to venture forth regardless, that's on them.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I agree that a handgun would probably be the most useful in most self defense situations although a shotgun might be better in some cases. But rifles have their place in self defense too.
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*whoooosh!!!*
 
Visbek said:
You, uh, do know that 92% of Americans have cell phones, right?

You, uh, do know that insulting your opponent indicates that you don't have a good argument. Right?
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So yep, in most cases, cops will be on their way.

How long does it take to be shot, stabbed, mugged, raped, beaten to death, etc?

I bet if the attacker did all of the above...the cops would still arrive to find them on the scene. Justice could be had. The grieving family will get some comfort from that.
 
Visbek said:
You, uh, do know that 92% of Americans have cell phones, right?



You, uh, do know that insulting your opponent indicates that you don't have a good argument. Right?
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I do know that lots and lots of people have cell phones. I also know that when confronted with the imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm most people DO NOT reach for their cell phone and start calling the cops as a first step. Furthermore, should an intended victim start calling the cops, most criminals don't sit around politely waiting for the call to be completed.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'll take "impossible and imaginary situations that demonstrate that gun owners were right and liberals want all guns banned for $200, Alex."
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No you are better off taking “righties not reading posts for $100”’but you would fail on that one too. Another undisclosed righty that isn’t reading comments. I’ve even said in this thread I don’t want firearms banned at all.
 
Lursa said:
What good is a gun if you cant have it when you need it, or you dont have enough bullets to take on multiple attackers, for example?

Is the only place you think you'll face violence in your home?
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Just get out of this thread as you can’t even be bothered to read my posts. I’ve said numerous times now I don’t want any firearms banned but you cons just keep coming and cherry picking posts like usual.
 
Lursa said:
It tends to be more of an indicator of the more accurate and better educated on firearms.

For instance, the media uses 'clips' all the time...so much for their credibility.
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Personally insult noted.
 
Lursa said:
It legitimately affects credibility.

People can use any term they want.
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No it doesn’t but what your comments show is your inability to read all of someone’s comments before jumping in which affects your credibility. Show me in this thread where I have said I wanted a firearm banned. Let’s see who is more credible. It isn’t you.
 
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