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Are you saying that there are no accidents with guns that children have gotten access to?
I don't think he is saying that at all. I think what he is saying is your speculative scenario is extremely rare and rather uncommon.
How many children die from accidental shooting?
How many children die of drinking cleaning chemicals? Do you lock those up?
Teaching your child gun safety is the best thing you can do.
If you ban everything that is dangerous to children .. you wont have much left
How many children die of drinking cleaning chemicals? Do you lock those up?
Teaching your child gun safety is the best thing you can do.
If you ban everything that is dangerous to children .. you wont have much left
Actually, I do lock up the poisonous chemicals in my house, and I don't even have kids.
I agree you teach a kid gun safety, but you should also lock up the guns. Leaving them with easy access to deadly tools is not really a smart thing to do.
No, I am saying that you don't have any concrete, rational, supportable reasoning, and you know it.Are you saying that there are no accidents with guns that children have gotten access to?
Because someone will not lock up their gun properly and a kid is going to have an accident with it as it looks like a toy.
sure, thats a given .. i would say the majority of gun owners with children lock their firearms up.
I was just pointing out that chemicals are also dangerous, but most people do not lock those up.
I have no children, so i keep mine unlocked, but on a high shelf.
I grew up in a house that had several guns in an unlocked glass display cabinet, with the ammunition in the drawer beneath it.My nephew and niece come over often enough that I figured locking up the chemicals was a good idea.
But I have to disagree on one thing. Most parents I know nowadays are so paranoid about their kids they not only lock up all the chemicals, but they lock up everything. I swear I think some people would bubble wrap their kids if they could.
I grew up in a house that had several guns in an unlocked glass display cabinet, with the ammunition in the drawer beneath it.
How could I have possibly survived that?
Well, that's the problem!If you were like me, you had parents that taught you about guns and would beat the ever-living **** out of you if you messed with them. :mrgreen:
I don't think he is saying that at all. I think what he is saying is your speculative scenario is extremley rare and rather uncommon.
How many childeren die from accidental shooting?
I would like for IT to answer this.
perhaps he can see how irrational he is being.
Actually, I do lock up the poisonous chemicals in my house, and I don't even have kids.
I agree you teach a kid gun safety, but you should also lock up the guns. Leaving them with easy access to deadly tools is not really a smart thing to do.
No, I am saying that you don't have any concrete, rational, supportable reasoning, and you know it.
Recall your statement, that the idea of buying the rifle in question for the daughter in question "is sick", because....
Please, provide some concrete, rational, supportable, reasoned argument that this WILL happen.
The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [1] :
* In 1999, 3,385 kids ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
* This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
* The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
o 214 unintentional
o 1,078 suicides
o 1,990 homicides
o 83 for which the intent could not be determined
o 20 due to legal intervention
* Of the total firearms-related deaths:
o 73 were of children under five years old
o 416 were children 5-14 years old
o 2,896 were 15-19 years old
YOU did not.I never said that it was sick. You should upgrade your memory.
Because someone will not lock up their gun properly and a kid is going to have an accident with it as it looks like a toy.
I don't think anyone here would agree that gun use while intoxicated is a good idea.
Not all kids are the same. I was shooting guns since I was 8. My sister hasn't. My father never let her shoot because she is mentally unstable and irresponsible. Not all kids are responsible enough to teach gun safety to. And there is definitely not a one size fits all age to start them at.
YOU did not.
You did, however, defend the statement by stating that the gun WILL not be locked up and there WILL be an acciddent.
Now, show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.
You're sidestepping.Well, there are people that don't lock up their guns. Come to Central Illinois. Accidents do happen. I've shown you evidence. Or was 1999 an anomoly?
The irony in my family is that my sister is the anti-gun loon and she's always refused to use a gun, even though she was the most responsible of the three of us. My old man tried taking her out with us shooting to teach her about guns and she was totally against it.
As far as mental stability goes, we're all a little nuts. I'd probably be the most mentally stable of my siblings, which is not saying much for the other two at all.
You're sidestepping.
Show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.
YOU made the statement. I'm taking you task for it. Don't like it? Tough.Quit strawmanning me.
That is misleading.
killed with a gun - does not say the child was the shooter.
If you can find stats where the child was the shooter it would be more useful.
On average in the United States in 2006, someone died in a fire about every 162 minutes, and someone was injured every 32 minutes (Karter 2007).
So thats 8.8 deaths per day. Sounds like we should ban fire.
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