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Tim Kaine Thinks You’re A Terrorist If You Believe Rights Come From God

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Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

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"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."

 
Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

===============================================

"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."

I don't read any links coming from a far-right propagandist source. Not worth my time.
 
Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

===============================================

"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."



I wonder what the framers meant by “all men.”
 
Tim Kaine never questioned anyone's religious belief, but, the article is making that exact allegation, and it's bulls**t. It's just more juicy red meat for the consumption of the far-right. Tim Kaine comes from a devout Catholic family, and attended a Jesuit all-boys prep school. Tim Kaine's debate was not based on a religious belief, it was a philosophical debate, which most people on the right can't comprehend what that is. His debate was whether U.S. 'rights' originated from a creator, or whether U.S. rights originate from a constitutional, democratic process.

The Federalist, which is a far-right organization, is only putting lies and propaganda in your minds, which you enjoy very much. But, it's complete and total BS.
 
Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

===============================================

"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."

Explain how god gives us rights.
 
Tim Kaine never questioned anyone's religious belief, but, the article is making that exact allegation, and it's bulls**t. It's just more juicy red meat for the consumption of the far-right. Tim Kaine comes from a devout Catholic family, and attended a Jesuit all-boys prep school. Tim Kaine's debate was not based on a religious belief, it was a philosophical debate, which most people on the right can't comprehend what that is. His debate was whether U.S. 'rights' originated from a creator, or whether U.S. rights originate from a constitutional, democratic process.

The Federalist, which is a far-right organization, is only putting lies and propaganda in your minds, which you enjoy very much. But, it's complete and total BS.
Strange being a Catholic he doesn't understand where our rights originate. Instead, he makes stupid statements like this

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes."
 
Strange being a Catholic he doesn't understand where our rights originate. Instead, he makes stupid statements like this

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes."
So you want us to be a theocracy like Iran? Wut?
 
Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

===============================================

"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."


You know quoting bad sources reflects on the people that use them. Bad sources=bad arguments. Make bad faith arguments=a person who isn't interested in the higher ideals found in the declaration of independence. Why did 'God' give people rights? So they would use them to be better humans. Stop proving authoritarian regimes that want to squash rights. Start being a better human by making good faith arguments and improving the lives around you.
 
You know quoting bad sources reflects on the people that use them. Bad sources=bad arguments. Make bad faith arguments=a person who isn't interested in the higher ideals found in the declaration of independence. Why did 'God' give people rights? So they would use them to be better humans. Stop proving authoritarian regimes that want to squash rights. Start being a better human by making good faith arguments and improving the lives around you.
Given you're a self proclaimed socialist, I take your comments as coming from a position contrary to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
 
Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

This idiot liberal is confusing natural rights with theocracy. Natural rights say the state can't invent or revoke your freedoms because they exist prior to government. Theocracy, by contrast, is just another form of state power, where politicians claim their laws come from an old book and then strip minorities of "rights" at will. In that sense, theocrats and modern leftists have something in common: they both deny inalienable rights exist, and instead treat them as government-issued privileges that can vanish the moment they’re inconvenient.

So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.

In fact it's just the opposite. The collectivist idea that any "rights" you have come from the state existed in the USSR, China under Mao, and Nazi Germany and the result was mass murder on an unimaginable scale - with no one's rights being violated.

Rights are inherent to human beings by virtue of their existence. Governments don't and can't grant them, they can only recognize them.
 
Tim Kaine has many flaws but his latest proclamation is quite telling.

He's clearly at odds with the Declaration of Independence.

Of course he thinks the state is the provider of all things good.

Someone needs to slide a copy of the declaration and explain to him with pictures what the words mean.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

===============================================

"The idea that rights come from God, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. — who was once nearly a heartbeat away from the presidency — declared Wednesday that if you believe in the Declaration of Independence you’re a terrorist.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes. It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

But the idea that rights come from God, the Creator, rather than the state, is neither radical nor foreign. It is the foundational principle of the Republic. The Declaration affirms this:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The Founders recognized that all people are born with certain natural rights that are pre-political and grounded in nature and reason. These rights exist independently of government or rulers and are “endowed by their Creator.”

This conviction at the heart of our founding was inspired by theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who recognized that God created an ordered cosmos, and that we can fully apprehend the natural law embedded in His creation through a combination of reason and revelation."

God isn't real.
God doesn't create laws in this country, or any other.
And Tim Kaine didn't say that, its an interpretation from some MAGA hack at Federalist.
 
Strange being a Catholic he doesn't understand where our rights originate. Instead, he makes stupid statements like this

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator — that’s what the Iranian government believes."
Our country's 'rights' come from laws made by Congress.
 
Coming from a self proclaimed socialist, I take your comments as coming from a position contrary to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

HAHAHAHAHA do you realize as a socialist we praise the values found in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, as we yearn for the next stage of the revolution to go even further to make sure all members of a community have those rights? What good are your god given rights if you don't have a home to sleep in?
 
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